Crump99 Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 6 hours ago, FromBendThree said: The planning process only helps up to a point. AEPG can keep Panthers out of Showground even if their applications fail. Same could happen at Coventry. Speedway needs land owner to want speedway. Eastbourne stadium still there but owners have said no to speedway and just let Stox in.. As is their right. That is true but their application will probably fail because they are keeping the speedway out and not adhering to the local plan. If PCC hold firm and AEPG can't wriggle out LP 30 then they are going to have to negotiate with Chapman's representatives at some point one assumes? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shhalewhhale Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 5 hours ago, OldNutter said: The owner of Brafield (Northampton) changed the old tarmac track to a shaleway a few years ago and there has been a lot of development done recently at Brafield to improve it so that it could hold the BRISCA World Championship in September and it made a great job of it and it also now has lighting. Firstly, would transferring Peterborough to Northampton be a good idea and secondly, would it be possible or wanted by the owner. The facility at Brafield is well away from any houses, so there should be no problems with neighbours. Just a thought as it is on the east side of Northampton and not too far from Peterborough and there is currently no speedway within an hour of Brafield. Obviously not ideal, but at least we would have a team in this area even if this is only a Plan B. Would it be a good idea, who knows, but it's 50 miles from where I am in the northern conurbation of PBO (an hour drive at least) so it's not really close. Leicester is actually slightly closer to Brafield than that at 48 miles, and Oxford closer still at 45 miles. Brafield may be a potential venue for a team for either Northampton or Milton Keynes, but I think it would be too big a stretch to call it Peterborough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 5 hours ago, OldNutter said: The owner of Brafield (Northampton) changed the old tarmac track to a shaleway a few years ago and there has been a lot of development done recently at Brafield to improve it so that it could hold the BRISCA World Championship in September and it made a great job of it and it also now has lighting. Firstly, would transferring Peterborough to Northampton be a good idea and secondly, would it be possible or wanted by the owner. The facility at Brafield is well away from any houses, so there should be no problems with neighbours. Just a thought as it is on the east side of Northampton and not too far from Peterborough and there is currently no speedway within an hour of Brafield. Obviously not ideal, but at least we would have a team in this area even if this is only a Plan B. It wouldn't be a plan B though. It would be plan A and play right into AEPG's hands as they'll refer to "l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area" from LP30, which would be game over if agreed. I'd be pretty sure that they've already evidenced that using Leicester and Kings Lynn as their ignorant examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, OldNutter said: The owner of Brafield (Northampton) changed the old tarmac track to a shaleway a few years ago and there has been a lot of development done recently at Brafield to improve it so that it could hold the BRISCA World Championship in September and it made a great job of it and it also now has lighting. Firstly, would transferring Peterborough to Northampton be a good idea and secondly, would it be possible or wanted by the owner. The facility at Brafield is well away from any houses, so there should be no problems with neighbours. Just a thought as it is on the east side of Northampton and not too far from Peterborough and there is currently no speedway within an hour of Brafield. Obviously not ideal, but at least we would have a team in this area even if this is only a Plan B. Has been discussed on here previously, would be an ideal stop gap but it appears that it's Peterborough based or nothing, I know I sound defeatist but I have given up hope of seeing speedway return to the showground. Could we call Busters bluff by going to Northampton ? Edited December 21, 2023 by Hackney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Crump99 said: It wouldn't be a plan B though. It would be plan A and play right into AEPG's hands as they'll refer to "l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area" from LP30, which would be game over if agreed. I'd be pretty sure that they've already evidenced that using Leicester and Kings Lynn as their ignorant examples. Is there a genuine plan B for 2025 if we can't get back into the showground ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitch Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 https://twitter.com/BradyBanger/status/1737905403831234745?t=W4oIQgq38Iq5mDZhTNnsrQ&s=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Hackney said: Is there a genuine plan B for 2025 if we can't get back into the showground ? Interesting question and one to leave on the back burner really. I don't know is the answer and whether the consortium have discussed this on their call, who knows? I'd guess that if Peterborough doesn't happen locally in some form in 2025 then that really would be it. What I do know is that the focus has to be on that return to the EoES because that is the only objective that will get a result. Any plan b can only be considered in terms of the Peterborough Local Plan, PCC doing their job and AEPG fulfilling the requirements of LP36 & 30. It's also worth noting that when PCC turned down Butterfield's retrospective DHL planning application that was recommended to be approved they went elsewhere in the local plan to find the criteria to turn it down, so if the will is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 18 hours ago, Flappy said: Correct however IP30 and IP36 state if so they'll need to find an alternative venue. I know which one is cheaper Developers bank land for many years and leave it undeveloped. They could wait for ten years or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 Buster about to get humbled by Alex Brady for £35,000 looks like he'll have to renegotiate with AEPG for another £35,000 in hush money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, FromBendThree said: Developers bank land for many years and leave it undeveloped. They could wait for ten years or more. Not when it's on the council's radar and part of the local plan, that's also currently under review. This is not a bit of random land that nobody cares about. AEPG are not going to get that luxury and they want the job done. They are not in in for the long game and already have their timetable in the public domain. Edited December 22, 2023 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 10 hours ago, TTT said: Buster about to get humbled by Alex Brady for £35,000 looks like he'll have to renegotiate with AEPG for another £35,000 in hush money. Rumour is that allegedly his last meeting would cover that with change anyway if it came to pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 (edited) 23/00412/OUT Representation from Consultee (Web) Sport England 08/01/2024 Speedway As set out previously, Sport England does not wish to make detailed comments on this point, and have referred the Council to the governing body, the Speedway Control Bureau, who we understand have raised objection to the application. Whilst we note the content of the supporting statement in relation to the loss of speedway venue, this does not seem to appropriately address the relevant planning policies in the Local Plan, particularly LP36 and the guidance in the NPPF in respect of the loss of the facility. This is because no information is provided in respect of replacement facilities in line with policy LP36 of the Local Plan. For information, the previous reference to para 99 of the NPPF should now read Para 103 following the updated publication in December 2023. As such, our previous comments remain valid in respect of the loss of the facility for speedway. Many thanks, Stuart Morgans Principal Planning Manager Edited January 8 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 17 hours ago, Crump99 said: 23/00412/OUT Representation from Consultee (Web) Sport England 08/01/2024 Speedway As set out previously, Sport England does not wish to make detailed comments on this point, and have referred the Council to the governing body, the Speedway Control Bureau, who we understand have raised objection to the application. Whilst we note the content of the supporting statement in relation to the loss of speedway venue, this does not seem to appropriately address the relevant planning policies in the Local Plan, particularly LP36 and the guidance in the NPPF in respect of the loss of the facility. This is because no information is provided in respect of replacement facilities in line with policy LP36 of the Local Plan. For information, the previous reference to para 99 of the NPPF should now read Para 103 following the updated publication in December 2023. As such, our previous comments remain valid in respect of the loss of the facility for speedway. Many thanks, Stuart Morgans Principal Planning Manager The planning authorities must support sustainable development. For this reason, when a proposed development poses a risk of loss of amenity of any type, the application is likely to be rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ghosty said: The planning authorities must support sustainable development. For this reason, when a proposed development poses a risk of loss of amenity of any type, the application is likely to be rejected. PCC are unfortunately part of the problem. They are responsible for the mess so I don't have much confidence in them to fight this too hard in the current climate? But they might surprise, who knows? From the AEPG DAS "The Showground site was offered to Peterborough City Council to allocate for housing and employment uses, to meet the needs of the city as it continues to grow. The Peterborough Local Plan was subsequently adopted by the Council in July 2019 with an allocation development at the Showground site." They knew that, if approved, Peterborough Speedway would be lost in that location, hence LP36 and 30. That's where the battle ground is and rejection must come. I suspect it'll be rejected on several other issues as well initially when AEPG play their first 2024 hand! Edited January 9 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther1997 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Video showing how the showground currently looks https://youtu.be/5LRONB5_hrI?si=8wCRYo-Ek94r5Zto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorwichTownFan Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Panther1997 said: Video showing how the showground currently looks https://youtu.be/5LRONB5_hrI?si=8wCRYo-Ek94r5Zto So DHL looks as if they're already using part of the site for car storage, although the pits area and the safety fence has been removed, its got to be a good thing that the stand is still standing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 How long before there is a mysterious fire in the grandstand? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 On 1/15/2024 at 3:33 PM, NorwichTownFan said: So DHL looks as if they're already using part of the site for car storage, although the pits area and the safety fence has been removed, its got to be a good thing that the stand is still standing. It’s not just DHL there are other companies doing the same work there now Vauxhall, Audi and Tesla in addition to DHL . . . . but don’t tell anybody, they don’t want anyone to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 Now that the track lights have been completely removed ,did they end up going to Workington as rumoured or elsewhere or for scrap . Absolutely depressing to see the showground as it is now from the recent video, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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