Peterborough Panthers 2023

[Speedtiger]

3 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

I might be wrong, but didn't Buster buy it to save the Prem and TV deal at the time ?

I wonder why Ged sold a well run, profit making club? He must of had his reasons i guess.

 

No, not to save the TV deal, Chapman thought he’d make a lot of money. But he’s not a businessman he’s a chancer who couldn’t run a drinking competition in a brewery. He deserves zero credibility!

[1 valve]

22 minutes ago, Speedtiger said:

No, not to save the TV deal, Chapman thought he’d make a lot of money. But he’s not a businessman he’s a chancer who couldn’t run a drinking competition in a brewery. He deserves zero credibility!

Well. Think what you like re his business acumen. But unless he did what he did, then the TV deal would have been dead in the water as the number of clubs required was none negotiable. 

[Noodles]

So if I wanted to set up a track in Milton Keynes and call it Milton Keynes Knights, someone still owns the rights to that name?  What if I called it Milton Keynes Cavaliers? 

[Arch Stanton]

Or setting up another Ipswich team the other side of town and called it Ipswich Wizards. Could have an Ipswich Witches v Ipswich Wizards final! Even we couldn’t stuff that one up  

[SPEEDY69]

5 hours ago, NeilWatson said:

Absolutely not. Peterborough Speedway would have raced on in the Championship in 2019 under Ged’s ownership if the sale of the Club to Keith Chapman hadn’t gone through. The Club was well run, profitable and successful and in no danger whatever.

If that were the case, then why did the sale go ahead? Surely the owners could choose not to sell if they wanted? 

[Sully]

12 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

If that were the case, then why did the sale go ahead? Surely the owners could choose not to sell if they wanted? 

Because they wanted to sell the club. They’re perfectly entitled to sell it even if it’s profitable….sure they had their own personal reasons for not wanting to continue at the time. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Sully

[bigcatdiary]

44 minutes ago, Noodles said:

So if I wanted to set up a track in Milton Keynes and call it Milton Keynes Knights, someone still owns the rights to that name?  What if I called it Milton Keynes Cavaliers? 

It doesn’t work like that unfortunately

[1 valve]

43 minutes ago, Noodles said:

So if I wanted to set up a track in Milton Keynes and call it Milton Keynes Knights, someone still owns the rights to that name?  What if I called it Milton Keynes Cavaliers? 

Where a license exists, it provides for exclusivity to promote speedway in accordance with the SCB/FIM regulations within a given regional area - irrespective of the name of a team which if one is established is protected by amongst others  trade mark & copyright law   

[SPEEDY69]

1 hour ago, Sully said:

Because they wanted to sell the club. They’re perfectly entitled to sell it even if it’s profitable….sure they had their own personal reasons for not wanting to continue at the time. 

No problem with that, so if Buster hadn't bought it we only have conjecture as to whether they would have continued. 

[Noodles]

1 hour ago, 1 valve said:

Where a license exists, it provides for exclusivity to promote speedway in accordance with the SCB/FIM regulations within a given regional area - irrespective of the name of a team which if one is established is protected by amongst others  trade mark & copyright law   

When does a licence cease to exist?

[arnieg]

42 minutes ago, Noodles said:

When does a licence cease to exist?

When THE BSPL decide it no longer exists.

[Sully]

6 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

No problem with that, so if Buster hadn't bought it we only have conjecture as to whether they would have continued. 

We’ve had it from the horses mouth on here that they would have continued if the sale didn’t go through. 

[Deano]

9 hours ago, Noodles said:

So if I wanted to set up a track in Milton Keynes and call it Milton Keynes Knights, someone still owns the rights to that name?  What if I called it Milton Keynes Cavaliers? 

Tony Mole owned the license to Birmingham Brummies Speedway from 1986. Only  Tony had sole option to re-open the club in 2007. 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Deano

[SteveLyric2]

9 hours ago, Noodles said:

When does a licence cease to exist?

When the ice thaws!! (See Swindon)

[RogerM22]

12 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Fair point, but 'Arena Essex Hammers' is nearly 40 years old.

The point is that if you're starting up a speedway team again you'd surely want to use the name that the club has always had would you not.

Did anyone abstain from Redcar's revival because it wasn't called Middlesbrough? You'd probably get the odd floating fan in with the old name but it wouldn't make that much difference.

[Pinny]

Always wondered what happens to old clubs and who holds their naming rights once they have gone?

 

Do the Malletts still own the rights to Newport Wasps, Legg to Reading Racers etc or do they expire?

[Method]

Activity at the track today it would seem.

Shale piled up on the outside, telehandler and something else around the pits area. Most likely the clear-up / collection stage.

[1 valve]

40 minutes ago, Pinny said:

Always wondered what happens to old clubs and who holds their naming rights once they have gone?

 

Do the Malletts still own the rights to Newport Wasps, Legg to Reading Racers etc or do they expire?

Naming rights typically refers to where a sponsors name is linked to a preexisting item, such as a stadium or team . i.e Brighton FC ground is actually the Falmer Stadium, but known for sponsorship purposes as the American Express Stadium and more commonly referred to as the Amex. These naming rights are covered by a contract drawn up between the invested parties where Brighton FC  receive payment for the duration of the contract (the term) It can then be renewed. 

In the case of a speedway team name, this is covered by Trade Mark law where the  "mark" at the time of its creation needs to be unique in design comprising either a made up word, two or more words (Newport Wasps) a logo/emblem or any combination of those three. - Think of the adidas name and three stripe logo. 

Once the Tm has been registered the owner is afforded protection for an initial 10 years after which the registration can  be extended every 10 years in perpetuity.  However, if the TM registration is not renewed the owner loses rights to exclusivity.

Registered TMs  appear on a company's balance sheet as an intangible asset.  

[NeilWatson]

12 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

No problem with that, so if Buster hadn't bought it we only have conjecture as to whether they would have continued. 

There is no conjecture. I have explained the situation, as a Peterborough Club Promoter at the time, you will not get anything more definitive.

[Crump99]

3 hours ago, Method said:

Activity at the track today it would seem.

Shale piled up on the outside, telehandler and something else around the pits area. Most likely the clear-up / collection stage.

AEPG usually react next day to any positive press so that's a strategy change if they are doing something physically destructive. Just when they thought they couldn't become more unpopular then they might just be having a go? Next focus of attention will be any as yet unnamed mug companies that get hooked up with them to facilitate their local disaster.

Edited October 12, 2023 by Crump99