Peterborough Panthers 2023

[Method]

1 hour ago, Crump99 said:

AEPG usually react next day to any positive press so that's a strategy change if they are doing something physically destructive. Just when they thought they couldn't become more unpopular then they might just be having a go? Next focus of attention will be any as yet unnamed mug companies that get hooked up with them to facilitate their local disaster.

Sorry, I mean most likely Buster / Panthers / Who ever collecting the associated bits and pieces. Wasn't suggesting anything untoward.

[SPEEDY69]

2 hours ago, NeilWatson said:

There is no conjecture. I have explained the situation, as a Peterborough Club Promoter at the time, you will not get anything more definitive.

Thanks, that's great.  As an outsider it would be great to know things like what are the criteria for acceptance into the BSPL club as it seems to be something which can be granted or not dependent upon your face fitting, including the granting or cessation of licences.

[Pinny]

9 hours ago, 1 valve said:

Naming rights typically refers to where a sponsors name is linked to a preexisting item, such as a stadium or team . i.e Brighton FC ground is actually the Falmer Stadium, but known for sponsorship purposes as the American Express Stadium and more commonly referred to as the Amex. These naming rights are covered by a contract drawn up between the invested parties where Brighton FC  receive payment for the duration of the contract (the term) It can then be renewed. 

In the case of a speedway team name, this is covered by Trade Mark law where the  "mark" at the time of its creation needs to be unique in design comprising either a made up word, two or more words (Newport Wasps) a logo/emblem or any combination of those three. - Think of the adidas name and three stripe logo. 

Once the Tm has been registered the owner is afforded protection for an initial 10 years after which the registration can  be extended every 10 years in perpetuity.  However, if the TM registration is not renewed the owner loses rights to exclusivity.

Registered TMs  appear on a company's balance sheet as an intangible asset.  

So assuming the old Newport Wasps promotion havent renewed it, the name Newport Wasps would be available for anyone should a new track happen to open up in Newport?

[1 valve]

1 hour ago, Pinny said:

So assuming the old Newport Wasps promotion havent renewed it, the name Newport Wasps would be available for anyone should a new track happen to open up in Newport?

Yes assuming the potential new owner of the club could obtain promotional rights for speedway in Newport from BSPA. 

FYI / this is what happened at Leicester (Lions)

Edited October 12, 2023 by 1 valve

[TTT]

[Deano]

That’s AEPG’s only funding stream I believe.

[Method]

Not quite.

Whilst amazing news for residents, this doesn't involve the speedway and is separate from the development plans.

Still, a great step in the right direction!

Edited October 17, 2023 by Method

[JoeW436]

Would loved to have seen Butterfield’s face. Well done to all involved.

[Crump99]

1 hour ago, Method said:

Not quite.

Whilst amazing news for residents, this doesn't involve the speedway and is separate from the development plans.

Still, a great step in the right direction!

It was a great starter indeed to get sight of the opposition; and they didn't do themselves any favours in terms of their attitude, presentation and attention to detail.

Peterborough Speedway was mentioned 4 times and the committee was keen to deflect away from it (not relevant here) although they know that it's coming with 10x the number of objections that seemed to register significantly for this application, which should have been relatively for straightforward AEPG.

Lack of trust was clearly big issue so trying to convince the planning and environmental committee that AEPG  are competent enough to deliver their brochure is going to be some conjuring trick:

From the ET factfile: Ashley added: “We believe the leisure aspect of the Showground will attract a far broader audience compared with the targeted audiences that the events held over the last few years. “We are also providing facilities and services, amenities and activity that is far more focused on the Peterborough community.”

 

[Mick Bratley]

2 hours ago, JoeW436 said:

Would loved to have seen Butterfield’s face. Well done to all involved.

I was there, he had a face like a smacked arse.

[Crump99]

4 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

I was there, he had a face like a smacked arse.

But what was it like after the decision 

[Mick Bratley]

2 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

But what was it like after the decision 

The bloke needs someone to dress him, he looked like a tramp. Don’t get me started on his shoes. . . . 

[Mick Bratley]

It wasn’t noticed by everyone but Councillor Stevenson was wearing a Panther brooch. 

[OldNutter]

Well done everyone.  The training and sharing seems to have succeeded this time at least.  Good Start.

How long have they got to get out of their unapproved property out?  At least the cold weather will stop the grass growing when they have gone, so will not need as many goats and cows to keep it down for a few months.

[bigcatdiary]

8 hours ago, OldNutter said:

Well done everyone.  The training and sharing seems to have succeeded this time at least.  Good Start.

How long have they got to get out of their unapproved property out?  At least the cold weather will stop the grass growing when they have gone, so will not need as many goats and cows to keep it down for a few months.

Their was talk that it wasn’t going to be very long at all

[Sully]

I would assume they will appeal and submit a revised application using a different entrance? Unsure of the details why this wasn’t done in the first instance. Interesting that Butterfield mentioned a number of events they are planning to hold at the showground. Unfortunate that he couldn’t name one of those though….

credit again to Julie Stephenson (and the local MP) for shoehorning the speedway into the meeting even though not relevant to this application. Keeps the pressure and awareness up. 

[Crump99]

52 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said:

Their was talk that it wasn’t going to be very long at all

sounds logical considering:

Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last in the Showground grandstand, as that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins.

Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval.

Battlestations everyone. AEPG may have lost a little battle here at the moment but the entire EoES campaign is a totally different prospect. Given the way that they seemingly slipped in information late on this application (giving little to no time for challenge), we can expect plenty of that with their unwanted cash cow.

 

[Mick Bratley]

1 hour ago, Sully said:

I would assume they will appeal and submit a revised application using a different entrance? Unsure of the details why this wasn’t done in the first instance. Interesting that Butterfield mentioned a number of events they are planning to hold at the showground. Unfortunate that he couldn’t name one of those though….

credit again to Julie Stephenson (and the local MP) for shoehorning the speedway into the meeting even though not relevant to this application. Keeps the pressure and awareness up. 

There is only one other entrance they can use and they definitely did not want to use it, even the planning officers emailed them months ago suggesting it would be a better approach. I think the reason they didn’t want to use this entrance was because that will be the entrance they will use for development as their plans for the first set of houses are close to it. Development traffic and HGV trailers using the same road would undoubtedly see a reaction from residents and businesses that currently use that road access.

[Mick Bratley]

42 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

sounds logical considering:

Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last in the Showground grandstand, as that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins.

Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval.

Battlestations everyone. AEPG may have lost a little battle here at the moment but the entire EoES campaign is a totally different prospect. Given the way that they seemingly slipped in information late on this application (giving little to no time for challenge), we can expect plenty of that with their unwanted cash cow.

 

They are now in breach of their contract with DHL I would suggest. DHL must be wondering who the hell they have got into bed with following yesterday’s umm oh er umm er performance from the AEPG CEO.

[Crump99]

1 hour ago, Mick Bratley said:

They are now in breach of their contract with DHL I would suggest. DHL must be wondering who the hell they have got into bed with following yesterday’s umm oh er umm er performance from the AEPG CEO.

It was interesting to see him first time having to back up his rhetoric rather than just spouting it as fact and the way it is. The challenges on community engagement (and the bloke behind doing the Pinocchio impression  )  and Peterborough jobs in the PE area (which stretches far and wide over 39 districts)  were particularly interesting.

If he/AEPG wants to claim that the many objections to their applications are from outside Peterborough (if they are?) then we'll have to use the PE postcode area (which includes Kings Lynn which is interesting?) as our marker.