Peterborough Panthers 2023

[yaxley panther]

11 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

And the big sell continues https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/factfile-east-of-england-showground-redevelopment-plans-explained-4275569

Should be helpful with registering your objection on the PCC website planning portal.

 

 

The plans are ' Fantasy Island ' absolutely no way will they achieve this , it will just be a load of houses and cues of traffic 

[StarBoy]

56 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

And the big sell continues https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/factfile-east-of-england-showground-redevelopment-plans-explained-4275569

Should be helpful with registering your objection on the PCC website planning portal.

 

 

For confirmation and ensuring standardisation with objections, what is the sell we're going for? 

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, yaxley panther said:

The plans are ' Fantasy Island ' absolutely no way will they achieve this , it will just be a load of houses and cues of traffic 

That alone could have them snookered..

[Deano]

There’s loads of other green spaces to build on. They should be asked why there? Why take away a useable facility when they could build that anywhere.

 

create your 500 jobs by not taking away current jobs.

 

keep the current 600,000 cars coming into the current facility and let the new one bring in as many somewhere else.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Deano

[OldNutter]

5 hours ago, Crump99 said:

And the big sell continues https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/factfile-east-of-england-showground-redevelopment-plans-explained-4275569

Should be helpful with registering your objection on the PCC website planning portal.

 

 

There is an odd line in that article where the director of AEPG is quoted saying he is working closely with the Speedway.  He seems to be claiming that the fans are disappointed that the Speedway is moving out of Peterborough.

Question: Is the speedway  "moving" out of the town or has it been effectively evicted by his fantasy vision of the concrete covered showground site.  The answer to that one may have a distinct bearing on his view on the assessment of the Panther's viability.  Or is something happening elsewhere that we do not know about next year?

[Deano]

21 minutes ago, OldNutter said:

There is an odd line in that article where the director of AEPG is quoted saying he is working closely with the Speedway.  He seems to be claiming that the fans are disappointed that the Speedway is moving out of Peterborough.

Question: Is the speedway  "moving" out of the town or has it been effectively evicted by his fantasy vision of the concrete covered showground site.  The answer to that one may have a distinct bearing on his view on the assessment of the Panther's viability.  Or is something happening elsewhere that we do not know about next year?

He’s so disappointed he’ll insist on roads being called Mick Poole Way, Panthers Close etc etc. 

[Crump99]

6 hours ago, yaxley panther said:

The plans are ' Fantasy Island ' absolutely no way will they achieve this , it will just be a load of houses and cues of traffic 

It is very helpful though for those yet to make or struggling with an objection. I'm going put it into a word doc and have a real good look at that, there are some gems in there!

[Crump99]

1 hour ago, OldNutter said:

There is an odd line in that article where the director of AEPG is quoted saying he is working closely with the Speedway.  He seems to be claiming that the fans are disappointed that the Speedway is moving out of Peterborough.

Question: Is the speedway  "moving" out of the town or has it been effectively evicted by his fantasy vision of the concrete covered showground site.  The answer to that one may have a distinct bearing on his view on the assessment of the Panther's viability.  Or is something happening elsewhere that we do not know about next year?

Oh yes, thanks for that. I hadn't gone down that far. There are more than a few odd lines in that whole piece.

As for " Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last in the Showground grandstand, as that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins."

- listen to Chapman's 2022 centre green statement. He clearly wasn't told that?

I can't be bothered with the rest, it's embarrassing. If PCC fall for that guff and think that concreting over one of the city's premier culture, leisure, tourism & community facilities with a vision with more holes than a colander then council isn't fit for purpose.

As for "We are working with PCC to make sure this development positively impacts the local people’s health and wellbeing.” - that's comedy gold

 

[Mick Bratley]

I particularly enjoyed his terminology of ‘competitive socialising’ I mean wtaf of a bullrubbish phrase is that. The bloke, as I have said from day one, is a chancer and fantasist.

[Crump99]

2 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

I particularly enjoyed his terminology of ‘competitive socialising’ I mean wtaf of a bullrubbish phrase is that. The bloke, as I have said from day one, is a chancer and fantasist.

Could do a top 10 list it is that good

[Crump99]

7 hours ago, StarBoy said:

For confirmation and ensuring standardisation with objections, what is the sell we're going for? 

Good question. I think a lot of people are struggling with that and it's a right dogs' dinner overall with the speedway being mixed up with the planning application.

The important thing is to object and if you're outside the city I would probably just keep it simple saying that you object to the loss of one of Peterborough's major culture, leisure, tourism and community facilities and want to know why the plans do not detail a like for like replacement for Peterborough Speedway, either on or off site, as required in LP30 of the local plan.

Others locally can probably add more detail but that should do

Try to put it in your own words though.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Crump99

[Crump99]

23 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said:

I particularly enjoyed his terminology of ‘competitive socialising’ I mean wtaf of a bullrubbish phrase is that. The bloke, as I have said from day one, is a chancer and fantasist.

This is a good one “Peterborough has a huge lack of active health, lifestyle and entertainment facilities”, Ashley added. - so we're knocking down and building on a premier city site that could be quickly be turned in to an active health, lifestyle and entertainment complex (incorporating Peterborough Speedway and the “world class arena and centre.” ) for the benefit of the whole city and positive legacy of the East of England Agricultural Society.

[Mick Bratley]

9 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

This is a good one “Peterborough has a huge lack of active health, lifestyle and entertainment facilities”, Ashley added. - so we're knocking down and building on a premier city site that could be quickly be turned in to an active health, lifestyle and entertainment complex (incorporating Peterborough Speedway and the “world class arena and centre.” ) for the benefit of the whole city and positive legacy of the East of England Agricultural Society.

Every sentence he speaks should end with: ‘and make me very rich’ 

[OldNutter]

For even more of an idea where this is going, have a look in the Companies House web site and see how many directors AEPG  have got!  They came into being on 20 Aug 2020 so their background hardly qualifies as "history". The other interesting look while there is the company that has run the showground  since 6 Oct 1970.  This company was comprised over the years mainly by farmers who presumably came from the early days of the Society.  That all changed on 23 Aug 2021 when the directors all left and two new non-farmers took over.  One of those has the same name as the AEPG director plus another whose name we will probably come to know as this fantasy rolls on.(best you find those names by looking rather than me name them here).  Final fun thing to do for a giggle is to look at the AEPG corporate website at:https://www.aepguk.com/ 

I can only describe that website as the perfect replica of the scam sites that we are warned about in all security videos.  Must have cost a small fortune - a very, very small fortune.

[Crump99]

34 minutes ago, OldNutter said:

For even more of an idea where this is going, have a look in the Companies House web site and see how many directors AEPG  have got!

 

I did that yesterday in a search for someone. It's quite an eye opener isn't it?

[scoobydoo]

Can we claim a 50% stake in being the Championship pairs winners with Glasgow as it was Basso & Harris that won the Grand Final tonight

[Deano]

35 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

I did that yesterday in a search for someone. It's quite an eye opener isn't it?

Yes definitely. He questions the viability of Peterborough Speedway too! Pot kettle black.

[IainB]

41 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

Can we claim a 50% stake in being the Championship pairs winners with Glasgow as it was Basso & Harris that won the Grand Final tonight

Unbelievably Glasgow are claiming victory!

[OldNutter]

The case might be lousy and the whole fantasy built on borrowed money, but remember the whole team are probably very clever and they and their mates know that the whole system is biassed in favour of their sort.  They will use all the tricks and dodgy maths to persuade the PCC that their plan will work.  They will claim that all the difficulties will be ironed out in the later stages of the planning and then claim that the council let them get that far so should let them go further.  Splitting the build in two is the first stage - makes each one smaller and easier to do the dodgy maths.  During the build stages they will plead difficulties and get the costly fantasy bits cancelled while they carry on with the money-making concrete laying.  Do not forget, these first people will not actually lay a single brick.  They are just the ones who plan to make loads of money getting the plans for the big building firms to move in.

We had a big build round here covering the past 8-10 years.  The original plans had a 25% social housing build clause into them.  About half way through the build, the consortium found that the affordable houses were not affordable enough and couldn't sell them so they submitted a new plan to reduce the non-affordable affordable house clause with a reduced quota by a half.  That meant that because the total they had built matched the original plan number, they did not have to build any more non-affordable affordable houses.  By  the way,  the builders only build houses that they are sure to sell, so with the market crashing at the moment, the rate of building will be painfully slow.  If they really wanted to incorporate the speedway into the plan, they would probably not need to touch either track or grandstand for the next 10 years and we could carry on enjoying our sport in between the rounds of golf and body building  if we can  afford them - not.

[Crump99]

20 minutes ago, OldNutter said:

 the rate of building will be painfully slow.  If they really wanted to incorporate the speedway into the plan, they would probably not need to touch either track or grandstand for the next 10 years and we could carry on enjoying our sport in between the rounds of golf and body building  if we can  afford them - not.

Yes, anyone with sense knows that. It's just a case of keep banging that drum to wake PCC up to that, although they no doubt know but hope that nobody will call them out.

Funny that a golf driving range is on their wish list. Swingers golf driving range (of Mario Jirout fame) was closed and sold for development prior to the 2008 crash, if my memory serves me right, and it's still a grass field which could have been a driving range for the past 15 years. If that doesn't ring alarm bells and concern PCC then they really need to have a word with themselves.