Crump99 Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 12 hours ago, TheSmiler said: Ged Rathbone offered to buy back Panthers. Buster or Carl Johnson has completely lied. Ged has offered to buy the club multiple times and the text conversations are still there according to Lisa. So either Buster has lied saying there was no offers or Johnson has lied after telling Ged that Buster “would rather close the club than sell back to Ged”. The question is who? Don't want to get in a toxic argument but that's confused me because I heard that, although it's a bit hard to argue against Chapman's programme statement because of the way it's qualified. If Rathbone did make an offer (unlikely that the BSPL would accept him back anyway allegedly?) then one assumes that he wouldn't do it on the basis (and I guess that he knows Butterfield (AEPG)) of Panthers finishing at the end of 2023? All still a bit confusing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, Crump99 said: Don't want to get in a toxic argument but that's confused me because I heard that, although it's a bit hard to argue against Chapman's programme statement because of the way it's qualified. If Rathbone did make an offer (unlikely that the BSPL would accept him back anyway allegedly?) then one assumes that he wouldn't do it on the basis (and I guess that he knows Butterfield (AEPG)) of Panthers finishing at the end of 2023? All still a bit confusing? Nobody can stop Ged buying the club. The BSPL only have the right to withhold a promoters licence. He'd likely get @NeilWatson back on board as promoter (if he wants to of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Daniel Smith said: Nobody can stop Ged buying the club. The BSPL only have the right to withhold a promoters licence. He'd likely get @NeilWatson back on board as promoter (if he wants to of course) Yes, I was part of the discussions and plans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Yes, I was part of the discussions and plans. So Buster is lyeing then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismorton Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Noodles said: So Buster is lyeing then? Is that even in question!?..and this is what is wrong with British Speedway and Phil Morris is basically doing the same by ignoring all this BS that goes on. Edited August 8, 2023 by chrismorton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, Noodles said: So Buster is lyeing then? Only thing is there's a difference between discussions and actually making an offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted August 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) Why is anyone even surprised he's lying. Panthers don't have to die at the end of this season. There's at least 3 people interested in saving the club, it's not in buster's hands. As @Crump99 said previously it's hard not to think that Buster did a deal to leave the showground quietly at the end of the season. The team being so bad has kind of distracted us all from the bigger picture. We need to fight for our club like wolves fans are doing Edited August 8, 2023 by Flappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Noodles said: So Buster is lying then? Not necessarily, just clever with words: "If anyone did want to make me an offer, I wish they would have put it in writing, because I would have accepted it if it was anything sensible." If an offer wasn't made in that fashion (or sensible according to him) and it was just texts, WhatsApp, whatever, or discussions then what he says does pass the smell test. One of the big bits missing for me is no explanation of why this fell down: "The only person who spoke to me about running the club, who I thought initially was going to be running it, was Michael Tomalin from City Auction Group, and he is the only person." Edited August 8, 2023 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 hour ago, NeilWatson said: Yes, I was part of the discussions and plans. Are you able to offer any more clarity on this and what the plans would involve regarding the future of the club / where they would race. And is it all dead in the water now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Flappy said: The team being so bad has kind of distracted us all from the bigger picture. We need to fight for our club like wolves fans are doing Agreed, we've come late to the party (well some of the fans because the club & supporters club, outwardly at least, have been woeful) and we know that Peterborough Speedway and its perfectly useable infrastructure will just sit to go to rack and ruin (as usually happens in such developments) because AEPG don't even have as yet, as far as I/we know, the required planning permissions and it serves their purpose to make the site, track and facilities unfit for purpose due to neglect. You can't blame them because that's their business but we could run for another 2 or 3 seasons and prepare and leave on good terms to pastures new if Fengate ever became reality, which is highly unlikely so it probably would be the end then, although perhaps not if PCC enforce (unlikely as money talks) LP30 within the Peterborough local plan. Edited August 8, 2023 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Flappy said: Why is anyone even surprised he's lying. Panthers don't have to die at the end of this season. There's at least 3 people interested in saving the club, it's not in buster's hands. As @Crump99 said previously it's hard not to think that Buster did a deal to leave the showground quietly at the end of the season. The team being so bad has kind of distracted us all from the bigger picture. We need to fight for our club like wolves fans are doing I’d like to know how anyone can ‘save’ the club when it won’t have a racetrack after October 31st. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) It's easy to keep the club on track Buster can easily keep Panthers on track by sharing the AFA with King's Lynn, Buster could easily merge KL and Peterborough as one team. Tomalin/Johnson and co. can easily secure land buy purchasing Leicester's track considering it's up for sale, Tomalin/Johnson could easily merge Leicester and Peterborough as one team or they could drop Leicester down to NL level whilst running Peterborough at Premiership level, Or you could be ruthless and liquidate Leicester altogether. Both of those are a short distance away and easy enough to get to (Looking at 1 hour to 1 hour 30 minutes max depending on traffic) an agreement to use Mildenhall's track can also be struck. So many options and possible solutions, It's not like we've got nowhere to turn to (Wolves) Edited August 8, 2023 by TTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said: I’d like to know how anyone can ‘save’ the club when it won’t have a racetrack after October 31st. So are you saying that AEPG will flatten the place? That may satisfy section k of LP30 but will be in breach of sections l & m. I'm sure that people are watching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Mick Bratley said: I’d like to know how anyone can ‘save’ the club when it won’t have a racetrack after October 31st. Which begs the question what exactly are Ged/Neil interested in? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, TTT said: It's easy to keep the club on track Buster can easily keep Panthers on track by sharing the AFA with King's Lynn, Buster could easily merge KL and Peterborough as one team. Tomalin/Johnson and co. can easily secure land buy purchasing Leicester's track considering it's up for sale, Tomalin/Johnson could easily merge Leicester and Peterborough as one team or they could drop Leicester down to NL level whilst running Peterborough at Premiership level. Both of those are a short distance away and easy enough to get to (Looking at 1 hour to 1 hour 30 minutes max depending on traffic) an agreement to use Mildenhall's track can also be struck. So many options and possible solutions, It's not like we've got nowhere to turn to (Wolves) Peterborough Speedway - the key is in the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, Crump99 said: Peterborough Speedway - the key is in the name. Still would be, Just a different home track. No point in anyone splashing out a ridiculous cash sum to build a whole new stadium from scratch because the sport will collapse in a few years anyway so the logical thing to do is a stadium share with one of the local tracks that's easy to get to. After the 2025 season we'll be very fortunate if we've got 10 or the current 16 PREM/CHAMP teams left (Birmingham, Edinburgh, King's Lynn, Leicester, Peterborough, Poole, Wolves all have a question mark over them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 Another option if Buster really wants out of the sport -> Tomalin could buy the AFA. Nearby tracks with owners who are willing to sell for the right price, I'm sure the facebook happy clappers and die hards would travel 1hr-1hr 30 minutes top whack to see their Speedway fix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Bratley Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, Crump99 said: So are you saying that AEPG will flatten the place? That may satisfy section k of LP30 but will be in breach of sections l & m. I'm sure that people are watching? Who knows what they will do, but there are things that can be done to protect the track, pits and grandstand until the planning application has been approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 What does Buster actually have to sell at Peterborough after 31st October? Alternatively what would any new potential buyer have to buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 Surely there is a brown field site similar in size to Workington, Buxton etc in the local (ish) area that could be bought for Speedway? Without it costing the earth.. Even renting the land of someone? Very basic amenities initially with plans for growth ongoing... A decent shaped track... A decent vantage point... Enough "facilities".. And there you go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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