Peterborough Panthers 2023

[TTT]

1 hour ago, DizzAssStar said:

Were you born stupid or is it something that has progressed with age?

You and two or three other Panthers idiots (apologies in advance to the decent P'boro supporters who thankfully are the vast majority) have taken every opportunity that you've been able to engineer over the past several months to blame KC for everything you can conjure up in your tiny minds!  I'll be the first to agree that KC  don't get everything right (no one does apart from you and your like)............... but make no mistake there would be NO speedway at P'boro OR KL without him.   

It is his fault though, KL wouldn't be in financial bother if Buster just let Tomalin complete the Holder deal, KL's future being plunged into doubt is mostly based around the Holder fiasco at Tomalin when you look at the bigger picture.

Tomalin would have covered the finances at Peterborough therefore Buster would only be paying for KL riders instead of 14 KL & Pboro riders.

KL wouldn't be in the alarming mess they're in because Buster would've just made two changes to get the team back within his price range after Brady bailed and it would've been business as usual.

Now Buster has been left paying for 14 riders that he simply can't afford due to falling out with Tomalin, Buster now needs Tomalin to save his ass.

[arnieg]

1 hour ago, noaksey said:

 

Its a private business same as any sports team he can ask whatever he wants 

Not quite  correct. He signed up to be regulated by the SCB/BSPL and has to conform to their regulations.

[DizzAssStar]

Just now, Daniel Smith said:

So, to be clear here. Regardless of what's on offer everyone should rock up a support the team? 

Didn't realise that the "equation" was up for manipulation so as to embrace any point of view?

People do whatever they choose to do .................. BUT when speedway pretty much disappears in UK (apart from a bit of amateur stuff) then don't moan!

I'm (almost) ashamed to admit that I hardly bother with live speedway nowadays (so I'm handing you ammunition) as its in such a bad way here in UK and I have extremely fond memories of how it used to be through the 70's and early eighties............... time to move on, I'm afraid that nothing lasts forever (sadly)!  

[KK62]

21 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said:

Simple ....... provide me with a list of would be promoters that were about to pick up the batten when P'boro speedway WAS about to fall off the face of the Earth a couple of years ago?

I think your answer will be a blank sheet of paper? 

Ged Rathbone ?

[DizzAssStar]

16 minutes ago, Isotonic said:

Chapman was the owner a couple of years ago, so this falling off the face of the earth would have been down to him? So if he created this "falling off the face of the earth" scenario why would anybody want to get involved and why didn't he close it down then? Anyway wasn't it a couple of years ago Peterborough won the play off final. With all this falling of the the face of the earth they must have had an intresting season

Being bloody mindedly picky does you and your stupid argument no favours whatsoever.................... you know EXACTLY what I meant when I used a "general term" of a  "couple of years ago" as you full well know I was referring to the point when KC took over the reigns at P'boro and effectively prevented its collapse at that time.

NOW show me your list of those willing and able to take it on at THAT time?

[DizzAssStar]

9 minutes ago, KK62 said:

Ged Rathbone ?

Why didn't he then..................... seems like yet ANOTHER saviour thats no where to be seen when the chips are down?

[scoobydoo]

7 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said:

Why didn't he then..................... seems like yet ANOTHER saviour thats no where to be seen when the chips are down?

Now who's being thick Rathbone was the one who sold it to Chapman !!!! ,

He also said if no one came in to buy it , the Panthers would of still run in the championship that year

Edited July 8, 2023 by scoobydoo

[Noodles]

DizzAssStar are you ok?

[DizzAssStar]

24 minutes ago, TTT said:

It is his fault though, KL wouldn't be in financial bother if Buster just let Tomalin complete the Holder deal, KL's future being plunged into doubt is mostly based around the Holder fiasco at Tomalin when you look at the bigger picture.

Tomalin would have covered the finances at Peterborough therefore Buster would only be paying for KL riders instead of 14 KL & Pboro riders.

KL wouldn't be in the alarming mess they're in because Buster would've just made two changes to get the team back within his price range after Brady bailed and it would've been business as usual.

Now Buster has been left paying for 14 riders that he simply can't afford due to falling out with Tomalin, Buster now needs Tomalin to save his ass.

KL are in "this alarming mess" on account of Alex Brady pulling out (don't know the circumstances so won't speculate) .........KC has again picked up the s.....ty end of the stick as opposed to KL speedway immediately closing the doors.

Time you opened your eyes ................. Tomalin has SAVED NO-ONE.

If it's all so simple get yer cheque book out buy the whole enterprise and put matters right............. you'll be sitting on a goldmine!

[All4back]

5 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said:

Being bloody mindedly picky does you and your stupid argument no favours whatsoever.................... you know EXACTLY what I meant when I used a "general term" of a  "couple of years ago" as you full well know I was referring to the point when KC took over the reigns at P'boro and effectively prevented its collapse at that time.

NOW show me your list of those willing and able to take it on at THAT time?

But Peterborough Speedway wasn't collapsing, it was up for sale. Wasn't the reason he purchased it, as chairman of the BSPA,to stop the TV deal falling through because of a lack of teams in the top division. And if I knew "EXACTLY" what you ment I wouldn't be asking you.

[noaksey]

36 minutes ago, arnieg said:

Not quite  correct. He signed up to be regulated by the SCB/BSPL and has to conform to their regulations.

And there's no regulation that stipulates reasonable prices in the event of a sale (the original question) so I've no idea what relevance your point is of course any buyer needs to conform to the league rules 

 

[scoobydoo]

4 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said:

KL are in "this alarming mess" on account of Alex Brady pulling out (don't know the circumstances so won't speculate) .........KC has again picked up the s.....ty end of the stick as opposed to KL speedway immediately closing the doors.

Time you opened your eyes ................. Tomalin has SAVED NO-ONE.

If it's all so simple get yer cheque book out buy the whole enterprise and put matters right............. you'll be sitting on a goldmine!

In truth Its comeback to bite Chapman bigtime by not sticking to the initial agreement with Tomalin  , as TTT says he wouldn't of had so many issues with both clubs now just those that have surfaced at Lynn

Granted he didn't know this situation would pan out at this stage in the season after Brady stepped down, 

 

[DizzAssStar]

8 minutes ago, Isotonic said:

But Peterborough Speedway wasn't collapsing, it was up for sale. Wasn't the reason he purchased it, as chairman of the BSPA,to stop the TV deal falling through because of a lack of teams in the top division. And if I knew "EXACTLY" what you ment I wouldn't be asking you.

SO if it wasn't collapsing who else was going to buy ................ and if they ever existed why didn't they?

Answers on a blank sheet of paper please!

Yes you knew EXACTLY what I meant (notice the spelling) and you weren't asking ............. you were telling me.

[DizzAssStar]

25 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

Now who's being thick Rathbone was the one who sold it to Chapman !!!! ,

He also said if no one came in to buy it , the Panthers would of still run in the championship that year

So what you are actually saying is that Rathbone thought he had a hold over the whole Premier League ................... until KC called his bluff !

Looks like Rathbone really had the interests of UK speedway at heart ...........................NOT!

[Daniel Smith]

3 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said:

So what you are actually saying is that Rathbone thought he had a hold over the whole Premier League ................... until KC called his bluff !

Looks like Rathbone really had the interests of UK speedway at heart ...........................NOT!

That wasn't the situation at all. 

The issue was, at that time, had Peterborough moved down the Premiership would have been disbanded & the BSPL would have lost the Discovery TV deal. 

Buster bought Peterborough for that reason only, not to save the club & has shown total disregard for the club ever since. It's just ticking over & got absolutely jammy with it's league title thanks to covid, with every other teams having to run a bargain basement line-ups. 

 

[bloom89]

It’s like the Freemasons with CL sticking up for chapman they all continue to do nothing to change the state of the sport but watch it get weaker and more unprofessional by the year but continue to back each other. They’ve both been involved in speedway for years they are part of why the sports in this mess by continually chugging out the same tripe season after season.

[scoobydoo]

30 minutes ago, DizzAssStar said:

So what you are actually saying is that Rathbone thought he had a hold over the whole Premier League ................... until KC called his bluff !

Looks like Rathbone really had the interests of UK speedway at heart ...........................NOT!

Not saying that at all ,

Chapman purchased the club and moved the Panthers up a league to save the TV deal as there was an insufficent number of teams to comply with the ongoing TV deal 

Rathbone said if it didnt sell he wasnt going to close the Panthers but continue to run in the lower lge until a buyer was found , 

Edited July 8, 2023 by scoobydoo
As Daniel Has Said

[Daniel Smith]

7 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

Not saying that at all ,

Chapman purchased the club and moved the Panthers up a league to save the TV deal as there was an insufficent number of teams to comply with the ongoing TV deal 

Rathbone said if it didnt sell he wasnt going to close the Panthers but continue to run in the lower lge until a buyer was found , 

Not forgetting, he was also after Ipswich too purely to save the league & TV deal. 

Fortunately for Ipswich, Tru Plant got involved

[arnieg]

1 hour ago, noaksey said:

And there's no regulation that stipulates reasonable prices in the event of a sale (the original question) so I've no idea what relevance your point is of course any buyer needs to conform to the league rules 

 

The relevance is the principle asset Buster has to sell is the licence to run speedway. The value of that asset could be wiped out at a stroke should the BSPL decide.

If Chapman puts too high a valuation on the licence and MT turns round to the BSPL and says I can run, I have a lease and a team lined up, but I need you to grant me a fresh licence at a lower cost what happens?

 

Do the BSPL stand by their old mate and let Peterborough speedway die or do they cancel Chapman's licence and grant MT a fresh one, making Chapman's asset worthless at a stroke.

[Pitch]

5 hours ago, Falcon1983 said:

I think MT will come in at the end of the season with the announcement of a stay of execution for an additional 12 months at the showground with a view of a new stadium in 2025

Chris Holder still has his race suit, and MT will add Woffy to the side and build from that

For now its just hope that will get fans to the end of the season, but it will be worth it in the long term 

 

This

One of the most sensible messages on here, let's support the Panthers Speedway through these difficult times (for current & Potential new owners, & supporters) for now. Then hopefully look forward to a better year next year & beyond.