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24 minutes ago, Panther1997 said:

We got a bye in the cup so all league meetings

Thanks :t:

Here's a few from Lynn (all comps)

Klindt  7.39 to 4.38

TJ  6.35 to 5.68

MPT  6.86 to 5.09

KK away is 2.40:o

Same boat as you. It will be interesting how riders pan out. Both need a re think for me. NK, MPT and KK are our problems. I think KK will go and the rest will be given time. Having said that i'd be happy to bag Max and Cookie ;)

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24 minutes ago, Panther1997 said:

Ben Cook isn't the problem, its our number 3 and 4 and the lack of a number 1 which are the major concerns. Basso clearly isnt at the level he was last season and we are suffering for it. So far this season Worrall, Iversen and Basso are the ones who are averaging under their averages.

Starting Averages in brackets

  • NKI (7.59) 6.97 to 6.29
  • Basso (6.81) 6.61 to 5.04
  • Worrall (6.15) 6.27 to 6.11
  • Andersen (4.93) 5.19 to 5.67
  • Cook (4.06) 4.06 to 4.17
  • Jenkins  (3.00) 3.00 to 4.00

I really like Basso and don't want to see him leave but he really does need to start being the rider we saw in 2022.

Ben Cook isn't the problem but is a part of the problem. 

As Rob Lyon said Basso is going through second season syndrome for Peterborough anyway but I'd still be moving on Worrall, and Cook before him.

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1 hour ago, Panther1997 said:

Ben Cook isn't the problem, its our number 3 and 4 and the lack of a number 1 which are the major concerns. Basso clearly isnt at the level he was last season and we are suffering for it. So far this season Worrall, Iversen and Basso are the ones who are averaging under their averages.

Starting Averages in brackets

  • NKI (7.59) 6.97 to 6.29
  • Basso (6.81) 6.61 to 5.04
  • Worrall (6.15) 6.27 to 6.11
  • Andersen (4.93) 5.19 to 5.67
  • Cook (4.06) 4.06 to 4.17
  • Jenkins  (3.00) 3.00 to 4.00

I really like Basso and don't want to see him leave but he really does need to start being the rider we saw in 2022.

Now you've started it ;   there will be 3 pages of get Basso out now to come afterall why are Peterborough developing him for Glasgows benefit 

 

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I agree that other riders aren't performing to expectations. 

It's just with Ben Cook all we're doing is developing a rider for a club like Sheffield (Example) to reap all of the rewards in the future whilst we don't get anything out of the deal at all other than 3/4 point returns most weeks due to the rider not having enough experience on Prem tracks.

It just doesn't make any sense to me when you could have someone like Craig Cook who'd consistently get at least 7+ points from reserve every week that'll actually benefit our club this year.

I'd have a different stance on Ben Cook if we were coming to tapes in 2024 with Ben Cook in our 1-7 because then we'd get to reap the rewards going forward that would benefit our club from 2024 onwards.

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As for Basso it's no surprise to see him struggling now after everything that's gone on from Nicki's walkout all the way down to being asked to partner Richie Worrall in the engine room.

Richie can't win races consistently at this level, He even struggles to get 2nd places most weeks so expecting Basso to become a solid HL in his second Premiership season is just to much pressure for the young dane.

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19 minutes ago, TTT said:

I agree that other riders aren't performing to expectations. 

It's just with Ben Cook all we're doing is developing a rider for a club like Sheffield (Example) to reap all of the rewards in the future whilst we don't get anything out of the deal at all other than 3/4 point returns most weeks due to the rider not having enough experience on Prem tracks.

It just doesn't make any sense to me when you could have someone like Craig Cook who'd consistently get at least 7+ points from reserve every week that'll actually benefit our club this year.

I'd have a different stance on Ben Cook if we were coming to tapes in 2024 with Ben Cook in our 1-7 because then we'd get to reap the rewards going forward that would benefit our club from 2024 onwards.

You knew all this before the season started, so why sign him in the first place? Also Poole could move back up in 2024 so you wouldn't have him anyway. 

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Just now, lisa-colette said:

You knew all this before the season started, so why sign him in the first place? 

Good question, Like most other decisions made over the winter, It just doesn't make any sense to me.

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27 minutes ago, TTT said:

As for Basso it's no surprise to see him struggling now after everything that's gone on from Nicki's walkout all the way down to being asked to partner Richie Worrall in the engine room.

Richie can't win races consistently at this level, He even struggles to get 2nd places most weeks so expecting Basso to become a solid HL in his second Premiership season is just to much pressure for the young dane.

None of your riders win races consistently though.. Hans is the only rider to win more race wins than Worrall, and has has 5 more races. Not saying Worrall is great, he's a 6 point rider, but no one is doing great. On this seasons averages so far RW is 2nd, just behind NKI. I don't think you can single RW out imho.

 Hans  24 rides..  1st 5 ... 2nd 5... 3rd 9... 4th 4

Ben  23 rides..       1st 4... 2nd 6... 3rd 5... 4th 4

RW   19 rides..       1st 4... 2nd 5... 3d 7... 4th 3   

            

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4 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

None of your riders win races consistently though.. Hans is the only rider to win more race wins than Worrall, and has has 5 more races. Not saying Worrall is great, he's a 6 point rider, but no one is doing great. On this seasons averages so far RW is 2nd, just behind NKI. I don't think you can single RW out imho.

 Hans  24 rides..  1st 5 ... 2nd 5... 3rd 9... 4th 4

Ben  23 rides..       1st 4... 2nd 6... 3rd 5... 4th 4

RW   19 rides..       1st 4... 2nd 5... 3d 7... 4th 3   

            

I agree that we've got a lot of underperformers, I'm just saying that Basso needs to be partnered with a strong No.3 who can a couple of races per meeting.

With Richie 3 of his 4 wins came at Leicester where he's a track specialist other than that his scores aren't up to scratch for a No.3 which is no surprise considering he's a No.2/No.6 that's being asked to ride at No.3.

Need someone to do a job like Danny King at No.3 in order to take the pressure off Basso.

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54 minutes ago, TTT said:

As for Basso it's no surprise to see him struggling now after everything that's gone on from Nicki's walkout all the way down to being asked to partner Richie Worrall in the engine room.

Richie can't win races consistently at this level, He even struggles to get 2nd places most weeks so expecting Basso to become a solid HL in his second Premiership season is just to much pressure for the young dane.

That’s exactly what you and Flappy were predicting him to be this year at the start of the season. “One of the real big guns” wasn’t it? Now after a poor start you’re making excuses. 

41 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

You knew all this before the season started, so why sign him in the first place? Also Poole could move back up in 2024 so you wouldn't have him anyway. 

Oh I bet they’ll be devastated about that!

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3 minutes ago, Aries said:

That’s exactly what you and Flappy were predicting him to be this year at the start of the season. “One of the real big guns” wasn’t it? Now after a poor start you’re making excuses. 

I thought Ben would've been doing a lot better but it turns out Rob Lyon was on the money from Day 1 in regards to second season syndrome.

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4 minutes ago, Aries said:

That’s exactly what you and Flappy were predicting him to be this year at the start of the season. “One of the real big guns” wasn’t it? Now after a poor start you’re making excuses. 

Oh I bet they’ll be devastated about that!

Said when the team was being put together that Basso needed to be a second string riding with an experienced HL for him to progress further or he would go backwards 

Poole most likely wont need to move back up so to speak if its 1 league after losing 3 or 4  more tracks to closures

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