foreverblue Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 42 minutes ago, stevehone said: from what i saw on the night, there were Poole riders not wanting to continue also but the manager saw a chance to take advantage of the situation and got his team riding I think you are right, Middlo saw an opportunity and told his riders to get on with it and I doubt many riders would question him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Carpman said: Cook signed , but he pulled out on press and practice day. He did indeed, it’s interesting that he hasn’t got a Premiership place so far this year despite having ridden for nearly every team in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Well one of them was his brother! I don't completely blame Chris Holder, I spoke to him at the play offs at Poole and he still vividly remembers his crash at Coventry, like most of us who were there, he said he didn't think he would walk again let alone ride so understandable he had concerns about a slightly dodgy track. If all riders adopted that approach every time they didn't fancy the conditions we would see very few meetings completed, & to walk out of the meeting was completely out of order. If had been paying the bills neither Holder nor his pal would have ever seen any of my money again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: He did indeed, it’s interesting that he hasn’t got a Premiership place so far this year despite having ridden for nearly every team in the league. His average is extremely appealing, but he carries a risk these day unfortunately because you can never be sure if he’s suddenly not in a good place again and doesn’t turn up. It’s that risk that has more than likely put promoters off taking a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, arnieg said: Verbal contracts are legally enforceable (unless they relate to land/buildings) Aah the memories: Rathbone, Godfrey and funnily enough a Holder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: If all riders adopted that approach every time they didn't fancy the conditions we would see very few meetings completed, & to walk out of the meeting was completely out of order. If had been paying the bills neither Holder nor his pal would have ever seen any of my money again. I would say Batchelor has a reputation for not trying too hard in slightly damp conditions but not seen Noddy do it before, it wasn't anywhere near the conditions when he had his crash at Coventry, the track at Kings Lynn that night didn't look too bad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 36 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: If all riders adopted that approach every time they didn't fancy the conditions we would see very few meetings completed, & to walk out of the meeting was completely out of order. If had been paying the bills neither Holder nor his pal would have ever seen any of my money again. Just purely as a matter of interest, what is worse out of declining to go out and ride, or going out to the tapes but then just pootling round at the back, maybe dropping out after a couple of laps? Seen many instances of the latter, but the former will get the headlines and reaction, even though it may be called a more honest approach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I would say Batchelor has a reputation for not trying too hard in slightly damp conditions but not seen Noddy do it before, it wasn't anywhere near the conditions when he had his crash at Coventry, the track at Kings Lynn that night didn't look too bad at all. Just slightly damp conditions.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, stevehone said: from what i saw on the night, there were Poole riders not wanting to continue also but the manager saw a chance to take advantage of the situation and got his team riding Who was the KL team manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said: Just purely as a matter of interest, what is worse out of declining to go out and ride, or going out to the tapes but then just pootling round at the back, maybe dropping out after a couple of laps? Seen many instances of the latter, but the former will get the headlines and reaction, even though it may be called a more honest approach. In my view withdrawing & walking out of a meeting in the fashion that they did is about as disgusting as it gets. Riders "pootling aroiund at the back" is seriously wrong too but proving that riders are guilty of that is not so easy as they will always have a reason why it happened ie bike issues & unfortunately the sport isn't managed well enough to dispute any excuse riders mighjt use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said: Who was the KL team manager? Dale Allit.He was taken i'll at the interval and taken to hospital. 7 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: In my view withdrawing & walking out of a meeting in the fashion that they did is about as disgusting as it gets. Riders "pootling aroiund at the back" is seriously wrong too but proving that riders are guilty of that is not so easy as they will always have a reason why it happened ie bike issues & unfortunately the sport isn't managed well enough to dispute any excuse riders mighjt use Holder probably looked over to his Poole buddies on the other side of the pits and threw a wobbly. He would of rode if he was on Pooles side that night. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Dale Allit.He was taken i'll at the interval and taken to hospital. I thought it was Rob Lyon and he jacked it in at the end of that season? Allitt was there as a co promoter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/19/2023 at 12:38 PM, Bombsaway said: Perhaps Linda Lovelace will be our number 1 Apparently Linda Lovelace's dentist said that she had the best set of teeth he'd ever come across. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I thought it was Rob Lyon and he jacked it in at the end of that season? Allitt was there as a co promoter. I was just going from the match report Baggy. I stand corrected if it was wrong. I did think Lyon when the question was asked so went to the archive And the Stars were dealt a further blow when team manager Dale Allitt was taken to hospital after falling ill during the interval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Bald Bloke said: I was just going from the match report Baggy. I stand corrected if it was wrong. I did think Lyon when the question was asked so went to the archive And the Stars were dealt a further blow when team manager Dale Allitt was taken to hospital after falling ill during the interval. Also possible that I could be wrong but in my head the main reason he packed it in was that night. Can't say I blame him in all honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: In my view withdrawing & walking out of a meeting in the fashion that they did is about as disgusting as it gets. Riders "pootling aroiund at the back" is seriously wrong too but proving that riders are guilty of that is not so easy as they will always have a reason why it happened ie bike issues & unfortunately the sport isn't managed well enough to dispute any excuse riders mighjt use I'm in no way attempting to defend Mr Holder's actions on the night in question. However I will say that it is very easy to stand on the outside & say "It's OK to ride on" but if your the one that is about to ride on it & you feel it is unsafe & you do not wish to take the chance on any possible injury, Who then is to blame. If the rider goes out & comes back unharmed it's easy to say with pride "See I said it was OK" but when it goes wrong & something bad happens where is Mr "It's OK"? Holder made his statement that night Buster didn't like it but why would he step in the way of a move to the Panthers after many years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Also possible that I could be wrong but in my head the main reason he packed it in was that night. Can't say I blame him in all honesty. Was he suitable for the job? Dealing with riders, who can sometimes be bolshy, has to be an essential ability. Presumably K.Chapman appointed him and, had he not unfortunately been taken ill, may have needed to be removed from the position. All of that would have added up to "management failure" and been Mr Chapman's ultimate responsibility, wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 I can only go by my personal experience reference Chris Holder, & I found him very friendly when he lived in Whittlesey a few doors from me. Got introduced to him, & every time I saw him after that, he always made an effort to speak to me, & wasn't big headed in the least. We even got him & Darcy in a pub in Whittlesey one night, & he was brilliant company as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave Jones said: Just slightly damp conditions.? Well maybe slightly more than damp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Having read the last few pages, if it was in most other businesses an employee (or self employed contractor) had been offered a deal, had accepted it and made all arrangements, had been measured for the company uniform and even received his uniform with his name on it - only to then find out that it wasn't going to happen, then for sure I wouldn't blame the person for going public! Never been involved in the multi billion industry Construction then? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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