MattB Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 hours ago, bellevueace said: Imagine how many Mauger would have won under this formula with his outstanding consitency? And he had to do all the qualifiers too. Mauger, Rickardsson, Fundin and Nielsen in the current era would have absolutely cleaned up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, MattB said: Mauger, Rickardsson, Fundin and Nielsen in the current era would have absolutely cleaned up You could include riders like Dave Jessup, who was a world beater but was let down by his own tuning in the big occasions, he would of thrived in a GP series, also tommy Knudsen Edited September 18, 2022 by THE DEAN MACHINE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Fromafar said: He would have been totally dominant.IMO.Probably double figures. Unlikely. What seasons after 75 do you think he would have been world champion? Pc 76&77, olsen 78, Lee 79? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 2 hours ago, MattB said: Mauger, Rickardsson, Fundin and Nielsen in the current era would have absolutely cleaned up Really? Zmarzlik is at that level imo - in my view in the top half dozen post war riders. Tbf Nielsen would have cleaned up his era under a Gp system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 Maybe interesting for some: Fredrik Lindgren has switched to Dutch GM engines, tuned by Bert van Essen (BVE). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 20 hours ago, TTT said: Got to bring back the Russian's next year. Zmarzlik doesn't have a single challenger. Madsen leads the chasing back but he can only ride throttle jockey places so he'll never be a World Champion. I'd say Lambert and Bewley are arguably the most likely. Top six this year and (I think) the youngest riders in the series (other than holder)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 Just now, waiheke1 said: I'd say Lambert and Bewley are arguably the most likely. Top six this year and (I think) the youngest riders in the series (other than holder)? Don't think Bewley will make top 6 this season, but think Lambert will be up there challenging for second next season, not quite ready to challenge for first, maybe 2024 season Hope i am wrong on both counts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 42 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: Unlikely. What seasons after 75 do you think he would have been world champion? Pc 76&77, olsen 78, Lee 79? ! Correct me if I am wrong, but he was World Champion in ‘77 and ‘79 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Fromafar said: ! Correct me if I am wrong, but he was World Champion in ‘77 and ‘79 Yes, but we were talking about under a GP series format. Does anyone think he would have won in those years if it was a series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2022 Report Share Posted September 18, 2022 6 hours ago, The Third Man said: Don't think Bewley will make top 6 this season, but think Lambert will be up there challenging for second next season, not quite ready to challenge for first, maybe 2024 season Hope i am wrong on both counts You could well be right. For sure they are both some way off Zmarzlik right now. But looking at the field, they are the ones I see with the highest potential to challenge him in the years ahead- next season may be too soon though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 9 hours ago, waiheke1 said: Yes, but we were talking about under a GP series format. Does anyone think he would have won in those years if it was a series? Well obviously I Do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Fromafar said: Well obviously I Do. Which years from 76 onwards do you think he would have won a gp series? 76 was surely pc (Mauger on the podium) 77 pc or olsen (mauger third) 78 olsen (mauger 2nd) 79 Lee? Mauger maybe top three? 80Jessup Be genuinely interested to know which of those seasons you would see Ivan winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: Which years from 76 onwards do you think he would have won a gp series? 76 was surely pc (Mauger on the podium) 77 pc or olsen (mauger third) 78 olsen (mauger 2nd) 79 Lee? Mauger maybe top three? 80Jessup Be genuinely interested to know which of those seasons you would see Ivan winning. It’s all hypothetical,it’s just an opinion.Mauger was just so consistent.He still was averaging over 10pts in 1979 Edited September 19, 2022 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 hour ago, waiheke1 said: 80Jessup What about Penhall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 hour ago, chunky said: What about Penhall? 80 would surely have been Jessup with Lee and Penhall on the podium. Penhall's time would come the next season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: It’s all hypothetical,it’s just an opinion.Mauger was just so consistent.He still was averaging over 10pts in 1979 Agreed, it's all opinions. I'm just interested. There's been a fair amount of debate on this on the forum, and I think the general consensus is he would hsve won 7 titles under a gp system, all between 68-75, with Olsen winning one in that period ( with one school of thought thinking Michanek may have won in 73, which would reduce Ivan back to six). Nielsen I think would hsve been the big beneficiary of a gp system, he could easily have doubled his world title tally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: Agreed, it's all opinions. I'm just interested. There's been a fair amount of debate on this on the forum, and I think the general consensus is he would hsve won 7 titles under a gp system, all between 68-75, with Olsen winning one in that period ( with one school of thought thinking Michanek may have won in 73, which would reduce Ivan back to six). Nielsen I think would hsve been the big beneficiary of a gp system, he could easily have doubled his world title tally... In the 12 seasons between 1968-1979 he average over 11pts on 7,over 10pts on 4 and 1 season 9.77.He was so Professional and consistent Is why I think the GP system would have been right up his street.Agree the Nielsen was in the same boat and would won more Titles in the GP system Edited September 19, 2022 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted September 19, 2022 Report Share Posted September 19, 2022 37 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: 80 would surely have been Jessup with Lee and Penhall on the podium. Penhall's time would come the next season... Remember, he'd already won the Master of Speedway in 1979, and in 1980, he scored a maximum in the WTC Final (defeating both Lee and Jessup), and was R/U (to Les Collins) in the BLRC, and R/U (to Mort) in the Inter-Continental Final. Plus, in the England-USA Test Series, he outscored them both again. It might have been a lot closer than you think! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falubaz Posted September 20, 2022 Report Share Posted September 20, 2022 POLAND!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullmax Posted September 21, 2022 Report Share Posted September 21, 2022 Seems to be quite a few negative comments about the Swedish GP. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but after attending the GP earlier this week its fair to say we all enjoyed a great weekend in a fabulous country. Thought the Stadium and track were great and we all enjoyed the meeting. Thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience . Would we go again? Absolutely 100% we would. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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