Trees Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 9/4/2022 at 2:04 PM, mikebv said: When I watch the play offs at the NSS on the TV, the semi's seem to get a "normal" non TV match crowd, but not much more than that.. The final gets around 1000 more than a usual match I would say.. Expand Nice little bonus at the end of the season I'd say?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 9/4/2022 at 12:09 PM, iainb said: I went to the semi and final at Peterborough last year and there was no increase in admission price for either Expand Daniel doesn't go to speedway anymore .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 9/4/2022 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Smith said: Think even the Play-Offs have taken a dive in recent years. The semi-finals no longer are rammed full, same with finals. The issue is, they're exactly the same as a regular meeting. There's no fanfare at all & except an extra £5 on the gate. Punters are turning away from the Play-Offs too in favour of watching on TV Expand On 9/4/2022 at 5:11 PM, Trees said: I didn't but almost every speedway fan in the local vicinity went to Peterborough last year, people tell me it was an awesome atmosphere! Expand Both legs of the final last year were big old crowds, I went to Peterborough and the place was rammed. Two great meetings too. Not sure it's the Play Offs that are the issue, more the four months of dross which precede it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 The fact that league matches are not all run before the play-offs start is madness. Teams should not be fined for failure to complete their fixtures before the end of the season, they should be fined for failure to complete before the play-offs start. Then we would not get the madness of Plymouth and Glasgow racing a match long after the play-offs have started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 9/4/2022 at 5:12 PM, Trees said: Nice little bonus at the end of the season I'd say?? Expand That’s all it is though. Don’t think any Champions or other teams in the play-offs in recent years can say their attendances increased as a result - each following year they start from scratch … 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 9/4/2022 at 2:13 PM, moxey63 said: Is it really worth carrying on with this play-off malarkey when the whole point of them is to create a bumper payout for clubs at the end? 1,000 more is nice, but how many of those fans don't attend the seven months leading up to them, in which six teams full of somebody else's rider chase four places? Not appealing. Expand Is it worth carrying on with the playoffs when it means bigger crowds? Now let me think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 4, 2022 Report Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 9/4/2022 at 2:13 PM, moxey63 said: Is it really worth carrying on with this play-off malarkey when the whole point of them is to create a bumper payout for clubs at the end? 1,000 more is nice, but how many of those fans don't attend the seven months leading up to them, in which six teams full of somebody else's rider chase four places? Not appealing. Expand You said the same thing about a 1000 times . there are loads of points why they have them . Do you think its would be more appealing if a team went miles clear and the season was over by June ,,, would be no point in people going .. Plays offs have nothing to do with why Uk speedway is rubbish as nearly every sport used them including Speedway in Poland and Sweden , Sadly is just said by old people stuck in a time warp 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/4/2022 at 5:12 PM, Trees said: Nice little bonus at the end of the season I'd say?? Expand It is... But, hard to quantify how much of a bonus, as very often some teams will clearly be through to the play offs months in advance, which then can reduce attendance numbers in the run up to them, as fans decide to give "dead rubbers" a miss.. 3 or 4 matches like that with a couple of hundred off the gate each time, and the extra come play off time only balances the books with a little left over... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) Play offs are OK, IF... the league is big enough and they're completed in a timely manner, neither of which happens in Speedway. This season we have a 6 team top league and 4 play off places, which makes the whole league programme more or less a waste of time especially when you have the top 4 spots pretty much concreted by June! Then in the CL we have clubs who have not qualified seasons over by the end of August and those in the top 2 waiting around for everybody else to complete their fixtures and get their play offs done and a 6 week hole in their season. We seem to have the worst of both worlds Edited September 5, 2022 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 1:39 AM, mikebv said: It is... But, hard to quantify how much of a bonus, as very often some teams will clearly be through to the play offs months in advance, which then can reduce attendance numbers in the run up to them, as fans decide to give "dead rubbers" a miss.. 3 or 4 matches like that with a couple of hundred off the gate each time, and the extra come play off time only balances the books with a little left over... Expand If there were no play offs surely there would be more dead rubbers. As I said the league could be over by June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/4/2022 at 9:10 PM, orion said: You said the same thing about a 1000 times . there are loads of points why they have them . Do you think its would be more appealing if a team went miles clear and the season was over by June ,,, would be no point in people going .. Plays offs have nothing to do with why Uk speedway is rubbish as nearly every sport used them including Speedway in Poland and Sweden , Sadly is just said by old people stuck in a time warp Expand We have a ridiculous 6 team league thats seen the top 4 decided by July with essentially nothing to ride for until the play offs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) On 9/4/2022 at 9:10 PM, orion said: You said the same thing about a 1000 times . there are loads of points why they have them . Do you think its would be more appealing if a team went miles clear and the season was over by June ,,, would be no point in people going .. Plays offs have nothing to do with why Uk speedway is rubbish as nearly every sport used them including Speedway in Poland and Sweden , Sadly is just said by old people stuck in a time warp Expand ...not Premier League Football however where the team that finishes top become champions. Not sure if the lower divisions apply the same criteria? You can imagine the outcry if the team that finished top in the Football Premier League weren't crowned champions? Edited September 5, 2022 by steve roberts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 9:10 AM, orion said: If there were no play offs surely there would be more dead rubbers. As I said the league could be over by June. Expand Indeed, The issue is more the lack of teams as the play off teams are known miles in advance, and the lack of any relegation threat.. Poland runs play offs with 6 out of 8 teams qualifying, however with relegation as part of their model it does mean each meeting still plays a part in the overall package on offer.. Even if it is obvious who may go down like this year.. There is no doubt that the play offs get good crowds because there is "something riding on them", the challenge therefore is to get all the other meetings that lead up to them have that stand point too.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 9:28 AM, steve roberts said: ...not Premier League Football however where the team that finishes top become champions. Not sure if the lower divisions apply the same criteria? You can imagine the outcry if the team that finished top in the Football Premier League weren't crowned champions? Expand PL Football is the only sport big enough to call the shots, knowing that if the TV companies don't like it there are loads of others queuing up to sign a silly money deal. Every other (team) sport bows to TV demands... even football does regards fixtures but that's about the only concession they make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 10:17 AM, iainb said: PL Football is the only sport big enough to call the shots, knowing that if the TV companies don't like it there are loads of others queuing up to sign a silly money deal. Every other (team) sport bows to TV demands... even football does regards fixtures but that's about the only concession they make Expand I'd recommend anyone to read "Cloughie's" autobiogarphy. Although written nearly 20 years ago his views on the modern game and TV in particular make fascinating reading and there is much that is still relevant today especially regarding "big" money/salaries, club owners and over the top commentary analysis amongst many other observations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 10:35 AM, steve roberts said: I'd recommend anyone to read "Cloughie's" autobiogarphy. Although written nearly 20 years ago his views on the modern game and TV in particular make fascinating reading and there is much that is still relevant today especially regarding "big" money/salaries, club owners and over the top commentary analysis amongst many other observations. Expand Did it mention "brown envelopes of used notes".... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismorton Posted September 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 Another meaningless fixture on TV...when was the last time there was a fixture in the British league where anything was riding on the outcome?...the most boring speedway league in the Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 10:46 AM, mikebv said: Did it mention "brown envelopes of used notes".... Expand Back in the early sixties when two of "Cloughie's" colleagues were throwing games and were found guilty and imprisoned never to play professional football again...and people talk about the Sunday People allegations and how it corrupted speedway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 9:28 AM, steve roberts said: ...not Premier League Football however where the team that finishes top become champions. Not sure if the lower divisions apply the same criteria? You can imagine the outcry if the team that finished top in the Football Premier League weren't crowned champions? Expand They don't have to in the Pl as there are other things to play for..top 6 going down millions of pounds for each place you finish in.Speedway has none of that . Rugby have plays offs to decide champions and there is no outcry because they all know the rules before hand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 5, 2022 Report Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 9:24 AM, moxey63 said: We have a ridiculous 6 team league thats seen the top 4 decided by July with essentially nothing to ride for until the play offs. Expand No matter what format know one knows before how its going to work out .But all the stats show the old system had more dead rubbers than the play off system making your point invalid . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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