IainB Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: They got a cheap looking lump of metal probably aluminium in the shape of a trophy, the lump of glass or plastic was no doubt ordered from Amazon and was dispatched from China around a month ago https://trophyshack.co.uk/product/millennium-football-jade-glass-award-80mm/?utm_source=Google+Shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AP+Feed+3&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_JSl19vh-QIVir7tCh2hwArqEAQYBSABEgI3iPD_BwE Was there even any shampoo sprayed? https://www.trolley.co.uk/product/prosecco-prosecco-spumante-extra-dry/JGE295 No expense spared! Edited August 25, 2022 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Steve Shovlar said: I hope they do for the sake of British Speedway. But we are falling further and further behind those on the continent and for all the great effort put in by Neil Vatcher, the difference between our young riders and their Polish and European counterparts is vast. The top ten Polish u21 riders would knock our equivalent into a cocked hat. Brennan has a team berth in the Polish third tier, which helps him but he needs to be riding in the second tier to really meet riders a step above him. The chances of a team berth are slim unless he does something special to catch the eye. Polish talent spotters will be more likely to use local talent which is cheaper and more than likely score more points. I expected Brennan to win a race last night, or at least come a close second in a couple of heats. He was nit really any better than Flint who scored the full minimum. Brennan has ridden Poole well in the past in league meetings. Perhaps I am being on the harsh side but I expected more of him. Flint had a blinding meeting at Poole earlier this season with big double figures. Last night he was invisible. Under 24 league should help keep him in the shop window there, but compared with Francis Gusts, Jan Kvech and even Timi Salonen he doesn't look like a future GP star. Add these to Basso and the Poles and you've probably got at least 8-10 riders that are better prospects than Brennan at the under 21 level and in practice only 2 or 3 of these will become GP regulars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: I hope they do for the sake of British Speedway. But we are falling further and further behind those on the continent and for all the great effort put in by Neil Vatcher, the difference between our young riders and their Polish and European counterparts is vast. The top ten Polish u21 riders would knock our equivalent into a cocked hat. Brennan has a team berth in the Polish third tier, which helps him but he needs to be riding in the second tier to really meet riders a step above him. The chances of a team berth are slim unless he does something special to catch the eye. Polish talent spotters will be more likely to use local talent which is cheaper and more than likely score more points. I expected Brennan to win a race last night, or at least come a close second in a couple of heats. He was nit really any better than Flint who scored the full minimum. Brennan has ridden Poole well in the past in league meetings. Perhaps I am being on the harsh side but I expected more of him. Flint had a blinding meeting at Poole earlier this season with big double figures. Last night he was invisible. I think riders lie Tom Brennan need to quit the Championship now if they are going to move up in class. Stick with the top flight for now, but they need to concentrate on riding abroad too. The first step, though, is stop riding in the comfort zone of Division 2. Rding in Poland's top league has to be the goal in the end. There is a reason that riders like Bewley and Lambert have moved up in standard, and it's the same reason that many Swedes, Poles, Danes and Americans did the same in the past by concentrating on making it in the top league in the World. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: that's a tricep stretch. It makes me grimace but then again I'm old I know the feeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, arnieg said: Under 24 league should help keep him in the shop window there, but compared with Francis Gusts, Jan Kvech and even Timi Salonen he doesn't look like a future GP star. Add these to Basso and the Poles and you've probably got at least 8-10 riders that are better prospects than Brennan at the under 21 level and in practice only 2 or 3 of these will become GP regulars. You only have to look at the history books to see that a good U21 rider doesn't always go on to be a good senior rider... a lot fall by the wayside for whatever reason. Did Dan Bewley show anything on the world U21 stage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 13 hours ago, Bunce said: My first experience of watching a live stream from BSN and I'm very impressed. Great camera work and commentary with top notch graphics. This is as good as any TV coverage so congratulations to all involved with this broadcast. I thought it was very well done. I thought the presenters were very good - light-hearted, chatty and knowledgeable. They kept my interest during the long gaps much better than happens on Eurosport. I thought Dave Rowe and Adam Roynan complemented each other well too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Grachan said: I thought Dave Rowe and Adam Roynan complemented each other well too. Agreed... I thought Dave Rowe was a lot better without Sam Ermolenko 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Grachan said: I think riders lie Tom Brennan need to quit the Championship now if they are going to move up in class. Stick with the top flight for now, but they need to concentrate on riding abroad too. The first step, though, is stop riding in the comfort zone of Division 2. Rding in Poland's top league has to be the goal in the end. There is a reason that riders like Bewley and Lambert have moved up in standard, and it's the same reason that many Swedes, Poles, Danes and Americans did the same in the past by concentrating on making it in the top league in the World. Absolutely spot on and the point I was trying to make. No point stagnating in a little pond. Do what Lambert and Bewley did - get in the big pond asap. Both Brennan and Flint and a whole host of others have wasted time in the NDL as it is, don't make the same mistake again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 Heard that the BSN has been a mild success. Enough to go again in 2023. I think the webpage on the British Speedway site is terrible and hard to navigate. A dedicated website is required and much more promotion. BSN is a great value for money platform with about 3 quid for a live meeting if you have the season pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, iainb said: You only have to look at the history books to see that a good U21 rider doesn't always go on to be a good senior rider... a lot fall by the wayside for whatever reason. Did Dan Bewley show anything on the world U21 stage? He didn't do to bad in world u21 4th but cud of won it really 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 After a ropey start BSN definitely upped their game and been a good product for the most part. Certainly preferable to Eurosport imo and as I've always said think championship racing is better in general 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) Man under discussion Tom Brennan pictured last night. Sum nasty looking marks on his arms alone from injuries (ciclred in red). These lads must carry many disfiguring marks on their bodies from burns, skin grafts & operations etc. Total respect Edited August 25, 2022 by Turnip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Grachan said: I think riders lie Tom Brennan need to quit the Championship now if they are going to move up in class. Stick with the top flight for now, but they need to concentrate on riding abroad too. The first step, though, is stop riding in the comfort zone of Division 2. Rding in Poland's top league has to be the goal in the end. There is a reason that riders like Bewley and Lambert have moved up in standard, and it's the same reason that many Swedes, Poles, Danes and Americans did the same in the past by concentrating on making it in the top league in the World. You have to be good enough to get Div2 inPoland though.There’s plenty of competion.Morris,Masters ans Co.are already there and the British youngsters are not at their level yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Heard that the BSN has been a mild success. Enough to go again in 2023. I think the webpage on the British Speedway site is terrible and hard to navigate. A dedicated website is required and much more promotion. BSN is a great value for money platform with about 3 quid for a live meeting if you have the season pass. My only criticism of the BSN coverage is that they should show some of the stadium atmosphere(music,announcements, interviews etc)rather than struggling to say something different every time it goes back to Comms or the Booth!! BTW Big congrats to Adam Roynon for his great comments about the Poole track and Stadium. It seems that all or certainly most of the riders - not just last night - liked the track as opposed to some of the keyboard warriors on here. PS. MPT should never have tried to compete. He was depriving another rider of a place in the final - or they could have used a guest.............! Edited August 25, 2022 by Skidder1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fina Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jaizer said: After a ropey start BSN definitely upped their game and been a good product for the most part. Certainly preferable to Eurosport imo and as I've always said think championship racing is better in general I agree. I think they have done well for their first year & I have enjoyed all the meeting I have watched their coverage of. Some of the riders that have had on as guest commentators have been really good too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Turnip said: Man under discussion Tom Brennan pictured last night. Sum nasty looking marks on his arms alone from injuries (ciclred in red). These lads must carry many disfiguring marks on their bodies from burns, skin grafts & operations etc. Total respect Tom is having a good season In GB and improving all the time.Even he admitted earlier in the season that Poland is a tough gig and he is the best we have got at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, iainb said: You only have to look at the history books to see that a good U21 rider doesn't always go on to be a good senior rider... a lot fall by the wayside for whatever reason. Did Dan Bewley show anything on the world U21 stage? He came third in 2020 final. But a rider with a modest under 21 record is far less likely to make it than one who has impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelinho Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 I'd say the commentary with Rowe and Roynan last night was the best coverage I've heard all season. BSN has definitely improved through the season. The booth presentation can sometimes still be a little rough, but I don't really mind, I think it's just genuine enthusiasm and I'd much rather see that than listen to Sam Ermolenko. With the issues they had early on in the season, I did cancel after the particularly awful experience they had at Edinburgh, but I re-subscribed once I saw they had improved things and I've not regretted it since (although I'm not sure my wife is so keen on the amount of speedway I've been watching ) On Tom Brennan, I think you have to remember he had one of the lowest averages of everyone in the meeting yesterday. I didn't expect him to do very well. He's just not there yet. He is getting better though. He joined Glasgow last season, I think as a consequence of Ulle's injury. He rode mainly at 3+4, and he didn't set the world on fire but he showed a bit of promise. He got better over the course of the remainder of the season and his scores were 3,4,6,6,8,7,4. Home and away form were fairly similar. This year, he's been thrust in the deep end at 5, with Ulle coming back at 3. That's actually worked out really well for our team, but at start of the season I felt that was a tough ask for him. He's scored double figures just under 50% of the time. His average has gone up slightly whilst riding at a tougher position. Basso gets all the plaudits because of his exuberant style and Tom's much steelier and goes under the radar a bit more. With another year's experience, maybe he can be back there next year in the mix, and possibly get closer to pushing the #1 spot for whichever team he's riding for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, arnieg said: He came third in 2020 final. But a rider with a modest under 21 record is far less likely to make it than one who has impressed. 4th... Oļegs Mihailovs came 3rd... where is Olegs now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted August 25, 2022 Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 Track reserve trying to figure out the set up for Poole....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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