Fortythirtyeight Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: This is what I was told at the weekend by someone in the FIM a rider was suspected of taking drugs and the testing people were alerted and they were told you can’t target a rider on a tip off (well not officially anyway ) it has to be random or appear to be “ appear to be “ is the correct phrase. It clearly isn’t as a suspected user was ‘randomly selected ‘ in all his teams 5 checks in one season and when the testers were asked how the ‘ random selecting’ was done no response was given, even when asked to test all 14 riders present to make it ‘ fair ‘ but the request was turned down. The individual passed every test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: Probably down to the cost. It costs pennies for a kit, the cost is the one/ two individuals doing the tests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, HGould said: . Then go and look up "snus" widely used in British Speedway. Illegal in most EU countries. Oh Don’t get me started on that filthy habit, it’s disgusting 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Diamondboy said: Don’t think that is correct at all, tip offs will be looked at. Under the influence of drugs/drink, will not be ignored, lives are at risk. Organisations would be sued if they ignored tip offs and the sh!te hit the fan. Riders actually clearly affected by drugs at a meeting is a rarity, but taking drugs socially between meetings is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 59 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: “ appear to be “ is the correct phrase. It clearly isn’t as a suspected user was ‘randomly selected ‘ in all his teams 5 checks in one season and when the testers were asked how the ‘ random selecting’ was done no response was given, even when asked to test all 14 riders present to make it ‘ fair ‘ but the request was turned down. The individual passed every test. Likewise for checking engines. A ride with a suspected 'big' engine tends to be tested more by careful selection. I think it still gets out and the rider puts another engine in that conforms. A well known rider at the top of his game reputed to be riding a big engine. Sure enough he was selected, but he just smirked his way throughout the examination. I suggest his club tipped him off. Our rider that was chosen was Dickie Juul. He knew why the other rider was suspected but as he claimed, why should it cost me £400 to put my engine back together when I only get £50 as the rules dictated. I must admit for the first time I agreed with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tsunami said: Likewise for checking engines. A ride with a suspected 'big' engine tends to be tested more by careful selection. I think it still gets out and the rider puts another engine in that conforms. A well known rider at the top of his game reputed to be riding a big engine. Sure enough he was selected, but he just smirked his way throughout the examination. I suggest his club tipped him off. Our rider that was chosen was Dickie Juul. He knew why the other rider was suspected but as he claimed, why should it cost me £400 to put my engine back together when I only get £50 as the rules dictated. I must admit for the first time I agreed with him. After a meeting at hull back in the 90s I along with Martin Dixon and I think the other may have been David Walsh got engine checked, this was the year when they made you drill a hole from barrel to cases so as they could put a clip through so that you couldn’t take the head off without breaking the clip, we were told after heat 10 I think, I had only scored a couple of points but I got the feeling at the time that they weren’t after me but it had to appear random, anyway I think we were all ok as nobody got banned Edited August 10, 2022 by THE DEAN MACHINE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 So correct me if I'm wrong, Mr Barker failed a drink or drugs test before a meeting (a sample)then was seen driving away from the stadium before heat 1, and then has to wait for further tests (b sample) which he also failed. Who let him DRIVE AWAY before heat 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Tsunami said: Likewise for checking engines. A ride with a suspected 'big' engine tends to be tested more by careful selection. I think it still gets out and the rider puts another engine in that conforms. A well known rider at the top of his game reputed to be riding a big engine. Sure enough he was selected, but he just smirked his way throughout the examination. I suggest his club tipped him off. Our rider that was chosen was Dickie Juul. He knew why the other rider was suspected but as he claimed, why should it cost me £400 to put my engine back together when I only get £50 as the rules dictated. I must admit for the first time I agreed with him. Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbi Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Petecc said: So correct me if I'm wrong, Mr Barker failed a drink or drugs test before a meeting (a sample)then was seen driving away from the stadium before heat 1, and then has to wait for further tests (b sample) which he also failed. Who let him DRIVE AWAY before heat 1? At the track we were under the impression that he had been driven to and from the track. May not be the case there were several rumours in the night but this seemed to be one that didn’t change as the night progressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Debbi said: At the track we were under the impression that he had been driven to and from the track. May not be the case there were several rumours in the night but this seemed to be one that didn’t change as the night progressed. I think there was a post at the time that said he had been driven away and that he had his head in his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 9 hours ago, Pinny said: Wilson? No. But he was in a van not a Carr. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 At Belle Vue one night, a member of a very famous family, was caught using a big carb, it was taken off the bike, but returned to him after the meeting finished, absolute joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 10 hours ago, Petecc said: So correct me if I'm wrong, Mr Barker failed a drink or drugs test before a meeting (a sample)then was seen driving away from the stadium before heat 1, and then has to wait for further tests (b sample) which he also failed. Who let him DRIVE AWAY before heat 1? Are alcohol/drug limits in speedway lower than those for driving? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Sotonian said: Are alcohol/drug limits in speedway lower than those for driving? Would have thought it was zero tolerance but only a guess... Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Sotonian said: Are alcohol/drug limits in speedway lower than those for driving? Yes. Alcohol is zero. Not sure how various drugs are checked, as some are in your body all the time naturally, but it is again the equivilent if a zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Sotonian said: Are alcohol/drug limits in speedway lower than those for driving? Yes. Alcohol is zero. Not sure how various drugs are checked, as some are in your body all the time naturally, but it is again the equivilent of a zero. Edited August 11, 2022 by crescent girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 18 hours ago, Petecc said: So correct me if I'm wrong, Mr Barker failed a drink or drugs test before a meeting (a sample)then was seen driving away from the stadium before heat 1, and then has to wait for further tests (b sample) which he also failed. Who let him DRIVE AWAY before heat 1? Wasn't driving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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