Testing Riders

[LisaColette]

Do we know what it is positive for? 

[Arthur54]

5 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Do we know what it is positive for? 

Being a dick 

[Fromafar]

On 8/9/2022 at 1:33 AM, Triple.H. said:

He didn't fail a standard test, his test was not negative.

That may well be beaurocratic nonsense. 

But he hasn't tested positive or negative until the results of the tests are proven and publicised.

 

 

Doesn’t look beaurocractic nonsense now.Let’s call it Positive.

[StephenMiller]

On 8/8/2022 at 10:35 PM, MD said:

Common sense is no longer common.

Common sense left the building long ago....and not just in speedway 

[Lenny Lion]

1 hour ago, lisa-colette said:

Do we know what it is positive for? 

A banned substance , 

[LisaColette]

2 minutes ago, Lenny Lion said:

A banned substance , 

Well yes. But was wondering if that was still painkillers or something else? Guess they discuss that at the hearing? 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

2 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Doesn’t look beaurocractic nonsense now.Let’s call it Positive.

 

1 hour ago, Lenny Lion said:

A banned substance , 

 

59 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Well yes. But was wondering if that was still painkillers or something else? Guess they discuss that at the hearing? 

All will be revealed in due course. The sport has a duty of care to follow the correct legal process

The result is at least confirmed so we know its the real thing......

[daz9100]

I guess it must be painkillers as Plymouth have said the following. They must have been told what the drug involved is. 
 

“The Club, which made a full statement following the results of the A Test two weeks ago, will make no further comment other than to reiterate that they do not condone the use of illegal drugs in sport or life in any way and will support the SCB and BSPL fully, however we feel that there are well documented medical reasons why Ben took high doses of prescription drugs prior to the random test, and that whilst not mitigating the fact that this is against the rules and contrary to strict guidelines, that it is a scenario that deserves a full explanation and support from Ben’s Doctors. 

The SCB has called for a hearing with Ben in September, and the Club will do all it can to support all parties in the meantime. The Club will make no further comment but would remind everyone that as the matter will be subject to a formal hearing, that no potentially libellous or slanderous comments made on social media will be accepted, and the Club will reserve the right to take legal advice should any be made or seen specifically regarding the matter.”

[baiden]

3 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

Do we know what it is positive for? 

Plymouth stated Barker was taking prescription 'Co-Codamol and Zapaine that contain elements of Morphine' when he was first banned. Presume that's what he tested positive for (although that doesn't mean he also tested positive for something more recreational).

If it is just the prescription medication, I guess he didn't inform the authorities he was taking it and didn't get an 'exemption certificate'. So facing a ban regardless I would have thought.

 

 

[Tsunami]

On 8/9/2022 at 12:00 PM, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Whilst on the subject of barker over the weekend I learnt that drug tests have to random, even if someone gives a name of a rider that is suspected of taking drugs to the testers they can’t target that rider, I suppose they could say it was random but they know a certain rider was in a certain race or meeting 

Any rider can be tested if there are strong reasons to believe he would be dangerous in a racing situation. What would be the point  of just testing random riders and finding them drug free, when others could strongly suggest another rider would definitely fail the test.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

3 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

Any rider can be tested if there are strong reasons to believe he would be dangerous in a racing situation. What would be the point  of just testing random riders and finding them drug free, when others could strongly suggest another rider would definitely fail the test.

That's probably why most of the guilty have got away with it over the years 

[Tsunami]

7 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

That's probably why most of the guilty have got away with it over the years 

NO not true. One Aussie in the 90s at Brough was obviously under the influence, and the club withdrew him when he "sprained his back" getting the tools out of the van. it would be ludicrous if he wasn't picked and rode whilst 2 others were tested and clean. Now that would be when he would have got away with it.

Edited August 10, 2022 by Tsunami

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

32 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

NO not true. One Aussie in the 90s at Brough was obviously under the influence, and the club withdrew him when he sprained his back getting the tools out of the van. it would be ludicrous if he wasn't picked and rode whilst 2 others were tested and clean. Now that would be when he Ould have got away with it.

This is what I was told at the weekend by someone in the FIM  a rider was suspected of taking drugs and the testing people were alerted and they were told you can’t target a rider on a tip off (well not officially anyway ) it has to be random or appear to be 

Edited August 10, 2022 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[TotallyHonestJohn]

1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

This is what I was told at the weekend by someone in the FIM  a rider was suspected of taking drugs and the testing people were alerted and they were told you can’t target a rider on a tip off (well not officially anyway ) it has to be random or appear to be 

Wokeism... athletics and swimming meetings are random and drawn by lots... the three rugby matches I was involved in were exactly the same and it was done via a blind raffle with three players drawn to be tested from each team... it was a random raffle draw on a selective few or they had to test everyone taking part which was unfeasible... its done blind so the tester can't be accused of picking on somebody or the sporting federation can be accused of a witchhunt in what is a very litigious society these days...

Im only guessing but I suspect Speedway is no different... the anti doping rules are fairly standard...

Regards 

THJ

[Racin Jason 72]

Considering the maximum amount of riders contesting a league fixture is 14 why not test them all.  Fairest way to do it. 

[Humphrey Appleby]

5 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

Considering the maximum amount of riders contesting a league fixture is 14 why not test them all.  Fairest way to do it. 

Probably down to the cost. 

[Debbi]

I don’t care what drugs were in his body, high dosage prescription/illegal/or as first suspected alcohol) what troubles me most about this whole saga is that Ben knew  what he had taken before arriving at the stadium and he should know if it is or not against the rules. Knowing this he still intended to ride and would have if the test hadn’t been carried out, it is the complete lack of respect for safety, not only for the other riders, but the medics, track staff everybody in the pits as well as the crowd. Just recently there have been a few crashes  where the bike has gone over the fence, that is what I find indefensible. It’s not okay to then say it was medical prescription and the gp can back this up - it still doesn’t make it right and anybody that knew he was doing this is equally guilty.

Edited August 10, 2022 by Debbi

[HGould]

47 minutes ago, Debbi said:

I don’t care what drugs were in his body, high dosage prescription/illegal/or as first suspected alcohol) what troubles me most about this whole saga is that Ben knew  what he had taken before arriving at the stadium and he should know if it is or not against the rules. Knowing this he still intended to ride and would have if the test hadn’t been carried out, it is the complete lack of respect for safety, not only for the other riders, but the medics, track staff everybody in the pits as well as the crowd. Just recently there have been a few crashes  where the bike has gone over the fence, that is what I find indefensible. It’s not okay to then say it was medical prescription and the gp can back this up - it still doesn’t make it right and anybody that knew he was doing this is equally guilty.

How times change. 

45 years ago Peter Collins made a valiant attempt to retain a world title with a huge hole in his shin. 

38 years ago, at Cowley no less Kenny Carter won a British WC semi final with 2 broken legs

No doubt both full of morphine and painkillers. 

You make an accusation about alcohol that is completely unfounded but again 40 years ago Kelly Moran would famously or infamously (take your pick) arrive at matches so drunk that they'd throw him in a cold shower for half an hour to sober him up. 

Over the decades and now speedway riders take large amounts of painkillers, some take illegal substances, depending on their popularity often a blind eye is turned. 

Some rude with well documented mental health issues that require medication that they have been brave and honest to open up about. 

Who hasn't driven with excess alcohol or painkillers in their system. Is a speedway track any more or less dangerous than the M25? 

Barker will be dealt with according to the severity of what he is proven to have done. 

Until then may be people shouldn't be holier than thou. 

Then go and look up "snus" widely used in British Speedway. Illegal in most EU countries. 

Edited August 10, 2022 by HGould
Snus

[Debbi]

52 minutes ago, HGould said:

How times change. 

45 years ago Peter Collins made a valiant attempt to retain a world title with a huge hole in his shin. 

38 years ago, at Cowley no less Kenny Carter won a British WC semi final with 2 broken legs

No doubt both full of morphine and painkillers. 

You make an accusation about alcohol that is completely unfounded but again 40 years ago Kelly Moran would famously or infamously (take your pick) arrive at matches so drunk that they'd throw him in a cold shower for half an hour to sober him up. 

Over the decades and now speedway riders take large amounts of painkillers, some take illegal substances, depending on their popularity often a blind eye is turned. 

Some rude with well documented mental health issues that require medication that they have been brave and honest to open up about. 

Who hasn't driven with excess alcohol or painkillers in their system. Is a speedway track any more or less dangerous than the M25? 

Barker will be dealt with according to the severity of what he is proven to have done. 

Until then may be people shouldn't be holier than thou. 

Then go and look up "snus" widely used in British Speedway. Illegal in most EU countries. 

If you read my post it says I don’t care what was in his system be it one of the three mentioned or all of them. At the stadium it was rumoured to be alcohol at first then drugs. The point is that he had officially failed a test (non-negative), if the ref had felt he was safe he wouldn’t have withdrawn him. I am not being judgemental I am simply stating that as we do not know what effect this would have had on him, he was risking not only his safety.

Times have changed health and safety (sometimes bunkers) of everyone at a track is at risk

As for the comment on the M25 if you want to ride a bike on the M25 at 70mph without brakes good luck. Times change, 45 years ago the bikes reacted differently, engine was an up right, machines go faster. I have seen to many serious crashes over the years (Ales  Drmyl’s being one of the worst). At the end of the day he has failed trackside and lab samples.

The fact that he intended to race is what annoys me.

 

[Diamondboy]

5 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

This is what I was told at the weekend by someone in the FIM  a rider was suspected of taking drugs and the testing people were alerted and they were told you can’t target a rider on a tip off (well not officially anyway ) it has to be random or appear to be 

Don’t think that is correct at all, tip offs will be looked at. Under the influence of drugs/drink, will not be ignored, lives are at risk. Organisations would be sued if they ignored tip offs and the sh!te hit the fan.