IainB Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 How many guests/RR's in a single team is too many? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, iainb said: How many guests/RR's in a single team is too many? Don’t think it’s too long now till members of the crowd are asked to ride 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 I'm generally not adversed to guests but for me the majority of the team i.e. 4 riders should be from your club, 2 guests + 1 R/R. Anything more than that should not be run as an "official" fixture imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) Maybe one day the bspa or l or whatever they call themselves these days will wonder where all the riders have gone and wonder if they had any part in it, if they solve that they can then start on finding the missing fans and wonder if they had any part in their disappearance Edited August 6, 2022 by THE DEAN MACHINE 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 On 8/6/2022 at 12:10 PM, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Don’t think it’s too long now till members of the crowd are asked to ride Come on Dean.... Don't let everyone know next year's plan until they have had the AGM and officially announced it... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 Lots of clubs already operating Spectator Replacement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted August 7, 2022 Report Share Posted August 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, enotian said: Lots of clubs already operating Spectator Replacement You mean replacing spectators with empty space is all part of the plan! Is this the only plan that has existed for more than one year? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) Too many guests? Surely, one rider from another side is too many. But when it guests to three or four... That's why speedway now is ruined, as too many riders are now trumped up guests and have more than one side. The doubling up/down rule is surely just a wheeze to operate guests for a lack of advanced planning. Watching speedway with guests is like those Top of the Pops albums in the 70s, sold as the proper thing but in which the songs weren't even covered by the proper artists. Edited August 8, 2022 by moxey63 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 21 hours ago, mikebv said: Come on Dean.... Don't let everyone know next year's plan until they have had the AGM and officially announced it... Yes, you’ll be telling us next what the biscuits will be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Guests \ Double uppers, almost as bad as each other 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, marko said: Guests \ Double uppers, almost as bad as each other Add them both together and you need to be Inspector Morse to actually determine who is guesting for who and from which club! At the moment there just seems to be a pool of riders that clubs are picking to get a match on... with the fat kid stood by himself as the last pick! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, iainb said: Add them both together and you need to be Inspector Morse to actually determine who is guesting for who and from which club! At the moment there just seems to be a pool of riders that clubs are picking to get a match on... with the fat kid stood by himself as the last pick! Been saying for a long time, that it's like a football PE lesson. So much short-termism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Take the named Wolves vs Peterborough last night inc r/r Only one rider (Luke Becker) was a full time rider for his associated club Masters is also an Edinburgh rider Worrall is also a Poole rider Douglas Scunthorpe Morris Leicester Kemp Poole Flint Berwick Harris Also Berwick Basso also Glasgow Andersen also Plymouth Palm Toft also Plymouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) Remember my first year going to Speedway that Oxford ran with three Guests Riders on one occasion as Garry Middleton, Rick Timmo and Preben Rosenkilde were all on international duty. That was a rare occurance back then as I don't recall another occasion ( or I may be wrong?) that Oxford during its "Rebels" days ran with three guests although we did have John Davis riding as a guest replacing himself at Coventry on one occasion! Edited August 9, 2022 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 You never got this in the old days. You certainly never got White City operating r/r all season for a rider they never had in the first place. You certainly never got Exeter being allowed a gueat facility for Ivan Mauger who only agreed to ride home meetings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Ok, lets look at probably the daftest fixture ever ridden in British Speedway, and that takes some beating... Pretend Plymouth vs Pretend Birmingham, both teams made up of riders pretending to replace a rider pretending to ride for a pretend club: Pretend Plymouth: 1. Richie Worral: Kings Lynn & Leicester pretending to be Ben Barker: Plymouth & Ipswich (+Wetherspoons) 2. R/R for Alfie Bowtell: Plymouth & Kent 3. Lewis Kerr: Kings Lynn (at the time) & Redcar pretending to be Ed Kennett, who was pretending to be a Speedway rider 4. Danyon Hume: Ippo (at the time?) & Glasgow pretending to be MPT: Plymouth & Peterborough 5. Josh Pickering: Kings Lynn & Edinburgh pretending to be Hans Andersen: Plymouth & Peterborough 6. Ben Morley: Plymouth & Kent 7. Harry McGurk: Plymouth & Belle Vue Pretend Birmingham: 1. Kye Thomson: Edinburgh pretending to be Claus Vissing, who was pretending to be a Birmingham rider 2. Jacob Hook: Edinburgh pretending to be Josh Auty? 3. R/R for Stefan Nielsen: Birmingham... but wasn't there 4. Broc Nicol: Glasgow pretending to be Ashley Morris? 5. Justin Sedgmen: Birmingham & Sheffield 6. Lee Complin: Armadale pretending to be James Shanes: Birmingham & Mildenhall 7. James Pearson: Birmingham! Woo Hoo! an actual Birmingham rider! ... I'm going for a lie down 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, topsoil said: You never got this in the old days. You certainly never got White City operating r/r all season for a rider they never had in the first place. You certainly never got Exeter being allowed a gueat facility for Ivan Mauger who only agreed to ride home meetings. ...of course both Hackney and Hull operated similar facilities that season but nobody ever raises that one? As regards White City it was the Control Board who masterminded the facility as Richard Greer was wantig a move to Birmingham who had been woefully weak the season before and the "Rebels" were initially reluctant to release him due to a shortage of proven heat leaders. Wolverhampton, of course, adopted a a "horses for courses' policy in 1976 again using R/R for a rider (Hasse Holmqvist) who never turned a wheel in anger for them and fully utilise the Guest Rider system for 'missing" riders. Ivan Mauger was a perculiar one but as riders were reluctant to ride at Exeter on their "promotion" to the First Division that was one option that enabled them to run that season. Of course Guest riders hadve been with us for many a year (have a feeling it was first introduced during fifties?) but it was never the nonsense that appears tp prevail nowadays. Edited August 9, 2022 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 5 hours ago, steve roberts said: ...of course both Hackney and Hull operated similar facilities that season but nobody ever raises that one? As regards White City it was the Control Board who masterminded the facility as Richard Greer was wantig a move to Birmingham who had been woefully weak the season before and the "Rebels" were initially reluctant to release him due to a shortage of proven heat leaders. Wolverhampton, of course, adopted a a "horses for courses' policy in 1976 again using R/R for a rider (Hasse Holmqvist) who never turned a wheel in anger for them and fully utilise the Guest Rider system for 'missing" riders. Ivan Mauger was a perculiar one but as riders were reluctant to ride at Exeter on their "promotion" to the First Division that was one option that enabled them to run that season. Of course Guest riders hadve been with us for many a year (have a feeling it was first introduced during fifties?) but it was never the nonsense that appears tp prevail nowadays. Didn't know that to be honest, I'm too young (honest) to remember. I only found out about White City through a recent Speedway Star 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 On 8/9/2022 at 4:07 PM, steve roberts said: Remember my first year going to Speedway that Oxford ran with three Guests Riders on one occasion as Garry Middleton, Rick Timmo and Preben Rosenkilde were all on international duty. That was a rare occurance back then as I don't recall another occasion ( or I may be wrong?) that Oxford during its "Rebels" days ran with three guests although we did have John Davis riding as a guest replacing himself at Coventry on one occasion! John Davis guesting for himself? I'm too young to remember that, how did that happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 1 hour ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: John Davis guesting for himself? I'm too young to remember that, how did that happen? Start of 1975. Davis had been allocated to Reading, and Oxford had AN Other in their line up as putative replacement for Davis, for whom they could use a guest - and they chose Davis! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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