Kent v Belle Vue 5th Aug

[Old Crusader]

Who's fit to ride for the Royals today? Who's guesting? 

Edited August 5, 2022 by Old Crusader

[StevePark]

48 minutes ago, Old Crusader said:

Who's fit to ride for the Royals today? Who's guesting? 

Line ups (BSPL Website meeting preview):

BELLE VUE: Jack Smith, Sam Hagon, Jake Mulford, Sam McGurk, Nathan Ablitt, Archie Freeman, Freddy Hodder.
KENT: Dan Thompson, Sam Woolley R/R, Danno Verge, Dean Douglas, Greg Blair, Chris Watts, Jack Shimelt.

[Old Crusader]

Looks like a real thrashing coming up for the Royals. Won't be a very entertaining match for the spectators.

[Diamonds85]

What an insult to the paying public. Kent need to be disciplined for putting out such a terrible team to stop this kind of thing happening again in the future. Yes the NDL is about development, but it's still a product at the end of the day, one that NEEDS fans. Throwing in sub standard riders into the team is just awful and shows little respect for the paying public.

Edited August 5, 2022 by Diamonds85

[mc131]

50 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said:

What an insult to the paying public. Kent need to be disciplined for putting out such a terrible team to stop this kind of thing happening again in the future. Yes the NDL is about development, but it's still a product at the end of the day, one that NEEDS fans. Throwing in sub standard riders into the team is just awful and shows little respect for the paying public.

It's not tht terrible to say be disciplined is over the top, they've got the best no1 in the league a decent no 5 a ok no 3 the rest are reserves which are like most nl teams

Most teams get a good beating at belle vue 

[flipper11]

1 hour ago, Diamonds85 said:

What an insult to the paying public. Kent need to be disciplined for putting out such a terrible team to stop this kind of thing happening again in the future. Yes the NDL is about development, but it's still a product at the end of the day, one that NEEDS fans. Throwing in sub standard riders into the team is just awful and shows little respect for the paying public.

You must have had different guests in mind other than the ones Kent have chosen, out of interest who would they have been? 

[arnieg]

1 hour ago, Diamonds85 said:

What an insult to the paying public. Kent need to be disciplined for putting out such a terrible team to stop this kind of thing happening again in the future. Yes the NDL is about development, but it's still a product at the end of the day, one that NEEDS fans. Throwing in sub standard riders into the team is just awful and shows little respect for the paying public.

So who would you have chosen as guests then? Thompson and Blair not good enough for you?

Edited August 5, 2022 by arnieg

[Wee Eck]

1 hour ago, arnieg said:

So who would you have chosen as guests then? Thompson and Blair not good enough for you?

I think the result answers your question. The doubters were proved right. 
in other news, congratulations to Redcar’s Archie Freeman on his paid max. First ever in the NDL?

[RoundTheBoards]

3 hours ago, Diamonds85 said:

What an insult to the paying public.  Throwing in sub standard riders into the team is just awful and shows little respect for the paying public.

Still waiting for your answer on the better guests you'd have chosen.....

51 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

I think the result answers your question. The doubters were proved right. 

As the doubter has been completely unable to name any better guests, I'd say he's been proven totally wrong.   Wouldn't you?

[Sings4Speedway]

11 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said:

Still waiting for your answer on the better guests you'd have chosen.....

As the doubter has been completely unable to name any better guests, I'd say he's been proven totally wrong.   Wouldn't you?

Spot on. Can only have guests up to cover whos missing so unattached 3 pointer for Connor at reserve and up to 3.5ish for Halder as non of those were available it became another unattacher 3 pointer. A lot of teams get battered at Belle Vue and the later in the season the visit the more dialled in the home side. Kents full season starting 1-7 may have got 10 points more.

[RoundTheBoards]

1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Spot on. Can only have guests up to cover whos missing so unattached 3 pointer for Connor at reserve and up to 3.5ish for Halder 

Has to be unattached 3.00 for Halder and KIng.

Anyway, we're still waiting for the moaners to tell us who the guests are that would be better than D Thompson and Blair.

[mc131]

41 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:

Has to be unattached 3.00 for Halder and KIng.

Anyway, we're still waiting for the moaners to tell us who the guests are that would be better than D Thompson and Blair.

Quite simply put there isn't any d Thompson 1of the best in league 

[Sings4Speedway]

The fact that the fixture was taken and remained in place with the knowledge that Bowtell and Morley would miss it due to Plymouth commitments was staggering enough. Guests will step in and do a job but have no allegiance to the club and no responsibility to help other riders through the meeting. The injuries added to the massacre but it was always destined to be a bashing anyways.

[Diamonds85]

Wow I'm sorry to those who think I live on the forum and think I can respond at any time any day, it is the holiday season you know.

Anyway if yous think handing rides at number 4 to the likes of Dean Douglas is acceptable, enjoy watching more and more embarrassing races. Completely out of his depth at NJL level, nevermind NDL. I know Dean and his Dad relatively well, but to be fair, it's just ridiculous that the rules allow him to ride, it's dangerous and embarrassing to watch.

Edited August 8, 2022 by Diamonds85

[RoundTheBoards]

9 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said:

Wow I'm sorry to those who think I live on the forum and think I can respond at any time any day, it is the holiday season you know.

Anyway if yous think handing rides at number 4 to the likes of Dean Douglas is acceptable, enjoy watching more and more embarrassing races. Completely out of his depth at NJL level, nevermind NDL. I know Dean and his Dad relatively well, but to be fair, it's just ridiculous that the rules allow him to ride, it's dangerous and embarrassing to watch.

And still we wait for him to tell us who the better guests would have been......

" Kent need to be disciplined for putting out such a terrible team".....    Yet still unable to tell us who the better team would have been

 

[Diamonds85]

Riders who would have been a better option than Dean Douglas on an average less than Jamie Halder (3.53):

Gregor Millar, Kyran Lyden, Alex Goldsbrough, Josh Embleton (3.56, guest for Sam Woolley, RR for Jamie instead) All of these riders easily outscore Dean in the NJL/Amateur scene, and speaking of the amateur scene, there's A LOT of other riders who would have done a better job also.

1. Dan Thompson

2. Josh Embleton*

3. Danno Verge

4. Jamie Halder (R/R)*

5. Connor Coles (an ex Belle Vue rider with a high average and much better than Greg Blair)

6. Chris Watts*

7. Jack Shimelt* (Local to Manchester and has some actual potential in the future, so makes sense)

This team may not have been competitive, but at least it gives fans some semi competent riders to cheer on, but like I say, if you enjoy watching riders get lapped and failing to beat broken down team mates, then so be it... Not my problem. But throwing incapable riders into the NDL with zero experience and little control of the bike and asking them to race the likes of Jake Mulford, Jack Smith and Nathan Ablitt is just downright dangerous. No wonder there's so many falls and injuries in the NDL. The gulf between the top riders and the wobblers at the back is a joke.

[RoundTheBoards]

24 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said:

1. Dan Thompson

2. Josh Embleton*

3. Danno Verge

4. Jamie Halder (R/R)*

5. Connor Coles (an ex Belle Vue rider with a high average and much better than Greg Blair)

6. Chris Watts*

7. Jack Shimelt* (Local to Manchester and has some actual potential in the future, so makes sense)

 

If they'd put out that team, they would have been fined.  Since only 4 of those riders are legal.

Connor Coles cannot guest at Belle Vue as he has already had his quota of guest bookings.

Josh Embleton is in the Armadale 1-7 with a 3.54 average.  So couldn't come in as an unattached 3.00 rider as he is neither unattached, nor 3.00

 

Not so easy is it?    Want to try again and see if you can actually come up with a better team that actually complies with the rules?

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by RoundTheBoards

[mc131]

7 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:

If they'd put out that team, they would have been fined.  Since only 4 of those riders are legal.

Connor Coles cannot guest at Belle Vue as he has already had his quota of guest bookings.

Josh Embleton is in the Armadale 1-7 with a 3.54 average.  So couldn't come in as an unattached 3.00 rider as he is neither unattached, nor 3.00

 

Not so easy is it?    Want to try again and see if you can actually come up with a better team that actually complies with the rules?

 

 

As is kyran lyden so there's another off the list 

[Diamonds85]

10 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:

If they'd put out that team, they would have been fined.  Since only 4 of those riders are legal.

Connor Coles cannot guest at Belle Vue as he has already had his quota of guest bookings.

Josh Embleton is in the Armadale 1-7 with a 3.54 average.  So couldn't come in as an unattached 3.00 rider as he is neither unattached, nor 3.00

 

Not so easy is it?    Want to try again and see if you can actually come up with a better team that actually complies with the rules?

 

 

I'm not going to argue, I wasn't aware than the replacement for Jamie had to be an unattached 3.00er which in itself is ridiculous, still plenty of better 3.00ers in the amateur scene than Dean. How can Kent's team be built with 4 riders at a 3 point average anyway, it's ridiculous and this type of team building is what creates such strung out races.

But like I said, if you enjoy watching lapped riders and riders who can't beat broken down riders then fine. Enjoy the rest of your season  British speedway really has gone down the pan... Tonight we have a very inexperienced u-21 rider (although having a decent season) guesting as a number 3 in the reigning league champions!! It's just a joke and embarrassing and is never going to attract new fans  The whole sport needs looking at, to create better racing

Edited August 8, 2022 by Diamonds85

[RoundTheBoards]

3 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said:

I'm not going to argue,

 

So that'll be   "No.  I can't come up with a better team than the one Kent had.  I take back my comment about them needing to be disciplined for a terrible team.  They did the best they could under incredibly unfortunate circumstances"