mikebv Posted July 30, 2022 Report Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Sometimes it's seems now like even the scrag is missing and your left just getting a whiff of the juices on the paper it was wrapped in..... It's a vegan scrag end... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattB Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 On 7/27/2022 at 3:13 PM, moxey63 said: Good point about market research. But that's asking the 40,000 who will attend and who think not much is wrong with the sport. What about those who don't? They have just been allowed to drift away. Many probably still come on internet forums and the like, even still buy the weekly Speedway Star. Where's the market research on the missing fans? They haven't completely dumped the sport. Many probably just suffered one rain-off too many, a silly rule introduction that was kicked out the following year, or, like me, don't see it as a serious sport. Sadly the attitude some of the promoters have towards fans who stop going is "it's your loss". I guess they obviously feel enough people are packing their terraces out that they need not bother with those who've had enough of it 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted July 31, 2022 Report Share Posted July 31, 2022 With proper management, a proper plan for the future & a product that is decent enough to be sold to those outside of speedway maybe the sport could have a future maybe even a bright one. Shouldn't make an comparison's to any other sport but all you need to do is look at the ladies euros to see what can happen with some vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 10 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: With proper management, a proper plan for the future & a product that is decent enough to be sold to those outside of speedway maybe the sport could have a future maybe even a bright one. Shouldn't make an comparison's to any other sport but all you need to do is look at the ladies euros to see what can happen with some vision. Similar success with team GB speedway team though, it’s the grass roots and leagues like the women’s game that needs constant improvement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 20 hours ago, MattB said: Sadly the attitude some of the promoters have towards fans who stop going is "it's your loss". I guess they obviously feel enough people are packing their terraces out that they need not bother with those who've had enough of it That has been the attitude from various promoters for many years "If you don't like it don't come". The issue now is that large numbers of fans have taken their advice . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 On 7/30/2022 at 12:09 AM, chunky said: But we've been serving scrag end for years, and it's working well! Why should we change? But they do serve scrag end with healthy portions of guests and rider replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 16 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: With proper management, a proper plan for the future & a product that is decent enough to be sold to those outside of speedway maybe the sport could have a future maybe even a bright one. Shouldn't make an comparison's to any other sport but all you need to do is look at the ladies euros to see what can happen with some vision. Vision and a very large chunk of dosh!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Vision and a very large chunk of dosh!!! The BSPA had the very large chunk of Dosh, during the early sky years...... sadly no vision. The sport just makes me so cross should be one of the best sports out there. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHarris Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 What we could do is sell tickets for the price of a McDonalds meal and give out a few freebies and tell the media it was a sell out. We should also promote British speedway as being the same standard as the Polish Extraliga and if anyone dares say any different we call them uneducated ignorant oinks. Seemed to work well for the Women's Euro's 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 6 hours ago, JamesHarris said: What we could do is sell tickets for the price of a McDonalds meal and give out a few freebies and tell the media it was a sell out. We should also promote British speedway as being the same standard as the Polish Extraliga and if anyone dares say any different we call them uneducated ignorant oinks. Seemed to work well for the Women's Euro's 100000%.... Hype! Hype! Hype!... It doesnt even have to be true... It just has to make enough people believe it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 6 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: The BSPA had the very large chunk of Dosh, during the early sky years...... sadly no vision. The sport just makes me so cross should be one of the best sports out there. Several No1's pocketed some real top money from Sky's millions... Then promptly "foxtrot oscared" from racing in the UK the very second the money stopped... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, mikebv said: Several No1's pocketed some real top money from Sky's millions... Then promptly "foxtrot oscared" from racing in the UK the very second the money stopped... Can't blame them for that they have to earn as much as they can in a relatively short career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 1, 2022 Report Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, TINYS said: Can't blame them for that they have to earn as much as they can in a relatively short career. Indeed.. But what a waste of a huge cash injection for the sport.. With the legacy being what we currently have... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 11 hours ago, mikebv said: 100000%.... Hype! Hype! Hype!... It doesnt even have to be true... It just has to make enough people believe it is... it worked for several national and world leaders and even trickles down to the workplace where bullhitters and self promoters get on through hype. Making people believe things is a piece of cake 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 13 hours ago, TINYS said: Can't blame them for that they have to earn as much as they can in a relatively short career. I don't blame them for maximising their earnings... but they could go and get another job like millions of others have to do when they have their careers ended through redundancy etc. Why should they be any different to the rest of us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, iainb said: I don't blame them for maximising their earnings... but they could go and get another job like millions of others have to do when they have their careers ended through redundancy etc. Why should they be any different to the rest of us? Of course in the "Good Old Days" many, if not most, riders had second jobs excepting the "stars"...postmen, mechanics, milkmen etc. I recall even Terry Betts working in a garage during the winter months although he was on a good earner whilst at King's Lynn apparently based upon the number attending which of course wouldn't amount to much nowadays! Too many riders expect to make a living from the sport nowadays and it's not sustainable on those attending. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, steve roberts said: Of course in the "Good Old Days" many, if not most, riders had second jobs excepting the "stars"...postmen, mechanics, milkmen etc. I recall even Terry Betts working in a garage during the winter months although he was on a good earner whilst at King's Lynn apparently based upon the number attending which of course wouldn't amount to much nowadays! Too many riders expect to make a living from the sport nowadays and it's not sustainable on those attending. And they want to make a full time living after forking out tens and ten of thousands of pounds or euros on kit that promoters want and need them to have... And they want and need them to have the best kit to try and win competitions that the very same promoters then completely devalue by using an unfit for purpose operating model that they personally design... Forking out fortunes to earn even bgger money to live on, and all to win competitions that carry very little financial reward or media and sponsorship interest.. Could be a University Masters Degree Course somewhere unravelling all of the multiple layers of that as "a plan"... Edited August 2, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, mikebv said: And they want to make a full time living after forking out tens and ten of thousands of pounds or euros on kit that promoters want and need them to have... And they want and need them to have the best kit to try and win competitions that the very same promoters then completely devalue by using an unfit for purpose operating model that they personally design... Forking out fortunes to earn even bgger money to live on, and all to win competitions that carry very little financial reward or media and sponsorship interest.. Could be a University Masters Degree Course somewhere unravelling all of the multiple layers of that as "a plan"... Promoters are sticklers for having a maximum points limit. Imagine if they introduced a rule for the maximum spent on equipment. All that money going out of the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, mikebv said: And they want to make a full time living after forking out tens and ten of thousands of pounds or euros on kit that promoters want and need them to have... And they want and need them to have the best kit to try and win competitions that the very same promoters then completely devalue by using an unfit for purpose operating model that they personally design... Forking out fortunes to earn even bgger money to live on, and all to win competitions that carry very little financial reward or media and sponsorship interest.. Could be a University Masters Degree Course somewhere unravelling all of the multiple layers of that as "a plan"... ...thereby lies the dilemma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, mikebv said: And they want to make a full time living after forking out tens and ten of thousands of pounds or euros on kit that promoters want and need them to have... Aye... Give 'em a bike rack, some black leathers, a pair of cricket gloves, football shirt and socks, and a neckerchief, and they're good to go... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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