customhouseregular Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 hours ago, keepturningleft said: It's shocking and depressing to see Belle Vue half empty most meetings. Great stadium, great track, competitive team and often top-drawer racing. If that can’t attract people through the turnstiles what will?. Back in to day league meetings were followed by a mini individual meeting comprising 6 riders from each team. Maybe an extra 4-7 races per meeting would give extra value for money and entice a few more to come. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: Great stadium, great track, competitive team and often top-drawer racing. If that can’t attract people through the turnstiles what will?. Back in to day league meetings were followed by a mini individual meeting comprising 6 riders from each team. Maybe an extra 4-7 races per meeting would give extra value for money and entice a few more to come. As we've said before, speedway just isn't "cool" anymore. Forget the organisation (or lack, thereof), forget the death of greyhound racing and demolition of stadia, forget all the experts on the BSF; for whatever reason(s), the public aren't interested. We've gone from a nation of speedway fans to a nation of ex-speedway fans to a nation of "What the f*** is speedway? Never heard of it." Don't expect me to provide answers, because I have no idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 On 7/24/2022 at 10:47 AM, topsoil said: Quote from Alex Harkess, the Edinburgh director in the Speedway Star two weeks ago. "If you ever read the Speedway Forum, you would easily start to get depressed. Fortunately the reality of speedway is nothing like that". Really? The man was down in the dumps just a few months ago because Edinburgh was on the verge of folding. He pleaded for single donations of £50,000 to raise a million quid to buy the current land his track's on or face joining the dozens we've had go defunct in recent years. There hasn't been a time I can remember Edinburgh not having a fighting fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 hours ago, keepturningleft said: It's shocking and depressing to see Belle Vue half empty most meetings. Look on the bright side. It means it's half full. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 6 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: For those paying attention speedway along with other sports is heading for the toughest period ever and it’s going to be bad, really bad and it’s not if it’s own making but I just feel speedway will just try to carry on like everything is normal and then when it hits the wall the Bspl will blame everyone but themselves, the sport is reactive,it should be proactive, reactive this time may be fatal, saying all that it’s not my money at stake I hadn't been to a speedway meeting for about five years. About a decade back Dean Felton organised an air-fence meeting at Buxton containing ex-riders and those merely riding in it for the love of the sport. I thought "I'll have a bit of that" and went along to it. It was really enjoyable. I knew the riders did it because, like me, they love the sport and not to see what THEY could cream off it. I don't get that feeling from today's crop of riders. It was last event I attended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 16 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Tonight wolves were at home to Kings Lynn, I live 2 miles from the track, I had nothing else to do, I was brought up a wolves fan, while I think it’s too expensive in general money is not an issue for me, I am speedways greatest fan, always have been and yet I didn’t want to go tonight,It just didn’t grab my attention enough to attend, I watched it on tv but that didn’t really stop me going either and I missed the first 3 heats as I was watching something else, it’s just not grabbing me, I can’t affiliate with a team of mercenaries who parade as my team, there is no point in having a league with teams that are filled with riders that ride for someone else, I know I am sounding like a broken record but if the sport can’t grab someone like me what chance does it have for a new audience, when I watch British speedway now I feel like I’m watching something else, on track speedway is full of bad annoying habits like starting offences, gardening, adjusting chains etc after a restart, it’s not needed it’s habit and annoying habit at that, Much of what you've mentioned is how I feel. I don't think speedway tried hard enough to keep the fans it already had, and I mean going back decades. I know it didn't try hard enough to win disillusioned fans back. The make-do attitude, live-for-today mentality, and pick-any-rider rules have brought the sport to its current state. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 On 7/25/2022 at 11:17 AM, Wessexbobcat said: Not interested without a club to follow. That' is the point. How many aren't interested anymore simply because the team aspect has gone. Most of us don't follow speedway because it's motorbikes; we follow it because it's a team sport. Your local track may still be there, but the lure to get you from your house to wanna go and support the local "team" isn't, because, deep inside, you don't feel it's actually a team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, moxey63 said: I hadn't been to a speedway meeting for about five years. About a decade back Dean Felton organised an air-fence meeting at Buxton containing ex-riders and those merely riding in it for the love of the sport. I thought "I'll have a bit of that" and went along to it. It was really enjoyable. I knew the riders did it because, like me, they love the sport and not to see what THEY could cream off it. I don't get that feeling from today's crop of riders. It was last event I attended. Glad you enjoyed it mate, certainly was a fun day up in them hills, sadly buxton is no more, well the track is still there and used for the ride n skid days but not for meetings anymore, I was up there last saturday and did some laps round there trying out an engine, it did get me thinking ?, maybe ? Who knows 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, moxey63 said: That' is the point. How many aren't interested anymore simply because the team aspect has gone. Most of us don't follow speedway because it's motorbikes; we follow it because it's a team sport. Your local track may still be there, but the lure to get you from your house to wanna go and support the local "team" isn't, because, deep inside, you don't feel it's actually a team. That is spot on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Glad you enjoyed it mate, certainly was a fun day up in them hills, sadly buxton is no more, well the track is still there and used for the ride n skid days but not for meetings anymore, I was up there last saturday and did some laps round there trying out an engine, it did get me thinking ?, maybe ? Who knows It was great, thanks. Used to enjoy the occasional trip to Buxton. Reminds me that you don't have to have a flash stadium to provide a few hours of entertainment. The way you could get right close up to the riders near the fence reminded me of the old Hyde Road days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, moxey63 said: It was great, thanks. Used to enjoy the occasional trip to Buxton. Reminds me that you don't have to have a flash stadium to provide a few hours of entertainment. The way you could get right close up to the riders near the fence reminded me of the old Hyde Road days. Sadly one track I never got to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, steve roberts said: Sadly one track I never got to. I got to Hyde Road for the BLRC 1965-1970. Great meetings. Rye House c.1960…you could reach over the fence and almost touch the riders. I always stood up against the fence on the first bend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 hours ago, moxey63 said: That' is the point. How many aren't interested anymore simply because the team aspect has gone. Most of us don't follow speedway because it's motorbikes; we follow it because it's a team sport. Your local track may still be there, but the lure to get you from your house to wanna go and support the local "team" isn't, because, deep inside, you don't feel it's actually a team. I think Speedway is definitely split down the middle with fans of a team and fans of the sport. Team fans want continuity of riders, a bond with the club and a feeling of belonging. Sport fans want entertainment, close matches a little controversy and excitement. Rarely these days do either group get anything close to what they desire and hence the mess the sport is in. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, customhouseregular said: I got to Hyde Road for the BLRC 1965-1970. Great meetings. Rye House c.1960…you could reach over the fence and almost touch the riders. I always stood up against the fence on the first bend. Remember on a visit to Exeter being able to stand right up to the fence and as three riders passed I lent over only for Olle Nygren to pass by terrifying the life out of me! He was so far back I had forgotten that he was still in the race! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 Personally, I don't think I will ever go to a match that is on Eurosport. Not because of any need to save the money, but they do seem to make it drag out. Much rather record it, start watching around 9pm and fast forward all the boring bits. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 26, 2022 Report Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: I think Speedway is definitely split down the middle with fans of a team and fans of the sport. Team fans want continuity of riders, a bond with the club and a feeling of belonging. Sport fans want entertainment, close matches a little controversy and excitement. Rarely these days do either group get anything close to what they desire and hence the mess the sport is in. Spot on! And the sport could prosper if either was achieved 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 8 hours ago, RS50 said: Personally, I don't think I will ever go to a match that is on Eurosport. Not because of any need to save the money, but they do seem to make it drag out. Much rather record it, start watching around 9pm and fast forward all the boring bits. I never enjoyed watching "live" transmissions on SKY...too much padding. Always preferred watching edited highlights of speedway on TV. Different when at a match live as I had my mates to talk to in between races enjoying some banter but difficult to replicate that at home sat by yourself! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I never enjoyed watching "live" transmissions on SKY...too much padding. Always preferred watching edited highlights of speedway on TV. Different when at a match live as I had my mates to talk to in between races enjoying some banter but difficult to replicate that at home sat by yourself! I think it depends on how the meeting is covered. I always prefer to watch a match live, but there is a lot of time to fill in. Sky and BT used to cover the spaces well, but meetings do seem to drag on more on Eurosport. I'm not sure if that's due to less interesting coverage or the fact that there are only six teams in league and I don't have one that I support any more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Grachan said: I think it depends on how the meeting is covered. I always prefer to watch a match live, but there is a lot of time to fill in. Sky and BT used to cover the spaces well, but meetings do seem to drag on more on Eurosport. I'm not sure if that's due to less interesting coverage or the fact that there are only six teams in league and I don't have one that I support any more. Could not agree more, presentation is useless using too many meaningless ex riders commentating or seen in pits that no one cares about and they do not even know who the riders are and get everything wrong. Had to switch off on Monday after heat 6 due to the waffle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 15 hours ago, moxey63 said: That' is the point. How many aren't interested anymore simply because the team aspect has gone. Most of us don't follow speedway because it's motorbikes; we follow it because it's a team sport. Your local track may still be there, but the lure to get you from your house to wanna go and support the local "team" isn't, because, deep inside, you don't feel it's actually a team. You say that, but is the lure the team for most of us? I don't know... the biggest attended meetings I've been to have been individual meetings, World Finals, British Finals, BLRC's, WC Qualifiers, Golden Hammer etc. The only team meeting that comes close to some of those attendances in the past (during my time following Speedway) was the Cov v Hull decider double header. The following of a team probably led to the following of a rider for that team, that has completely gone now thanks to doubling up, which if memory serves me was originally brought in to help progress British youngsters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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