steve roberts Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 Just now, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Need to build a man cave Big screen , pool table , dart board. Add some food and drink , split the subscriptions and its a great night at a fraction of the cost Cheers Mr Beerhut ...plus a Model Railway! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 On 7/25/2022 at 11:17 AM, Wessexbobcat said: Not interested without a club to follow.I don’t think the cost justifies what you get either.15 races of follow your leader, same riders double up down guest amateur at best .I probably won’t bother online with speedway soon.Will always remember the 70’s and 80’s National League great racing no guests , or playoffs and proper tac sub rule.They call it progress maybe?(self distract I think) If there was a streamed competition which featured a Weymouth team, even though they have no home fixtures, would you be inclined to subscribe then? For example a pairs event in which the same two riders (injury permitting) exclusively represented Weymouth at each round. They'd be exclusively Weymouth riders in that competition. Although they'd more than likely ride for other teams in other competitions. Is that something that would interest you? It doesn't sound particularly authentic but you imagine the way to maximise streaming is to appeal to a wider range of supporters i.e. not just two teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: ...plus a Model Railway! Do I get an invitation??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 9 hours ago, moxey63 said: Most people attending Cardiff are possibly making their first speedway visit this year, possibly many because they're disillusioned at the state of club speedway, and because it's a one-off occasion. If club racing served the sport as it once did, and teams contained riders that fans felt were part of them, I believe Cardiff wouldn't be half full. Or not bothering with going to Cardiff at all ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted July 27, 2022 Report Share Posted July 27, 2022 8 hours ago, moxey63 said: If there is 40,000 at Cardiff... If there are 40,000 at Cardiff, at least 10,000 - 20,000 will be Poles, Swedes, Germans, Danes etc "on tour". The British contingent at Cardiff is a lot lower than you may think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 8 hours ago, chunky said: Do I get an invitation??? You'd be first in the queue dear boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 8 hours ago, uk_martin said: If there are 40,000 at Cardiff, at least 10,000 - 20,000 will be Poles, Swedes, Germans, Danes etc "on tour". The British contingent at Cardiff is a lot lower than you may think. Disagree , probably 5000 max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wessexbobcat Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 16 hours ago, enotian said: If there was a streamed competition which featured a Weymouth team, even though they have no home fixtures, would you be inclined to subscribe then? For example a pairs event in which the same two riders (injury permitting) exclusively represented Weymouth at each round. They'd be exclusively Weymouth riders in that competition. Although they'd more than likely ride for other teams in other competitions. Is that something that would interest you? It doesn't sound particularly authentic but you imagine the way to maximise streaming is to appeal to a wider range of supporters i.e. not just two teams. Probably not,the fact that riders ride for more than one team puts me off already.When we last ran at Weymouth some riders did double up but were trying to break into the second not ride in all three divisions.If someone set up a team with the intention of returning Weymouth as a stand alone club I probably would watch . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wessexbobcat Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 6 hours ago, topaz325 said: Disagree , probably 5000 max. British ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 need to go to 5 man teams until something changes, need a surplus of riders not a shortage. I wouldn't want it but I can't see another solution. It works elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 hours ago, ch958 said: need to go to 5 man teams until something changes, need a surplus of riders not a shortage. I wouldn't want it but I can't see another solution. It works elsewhere It seems the obvious solution but far from ideal If you watch any of the Danish league that uses 5 man teams you will recognise the problem Get to heat 5 and sometimes you've seen 2 opposing riders up against each 3 times already...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 49 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: It seems the obvious solution but far from ideal If you watch any of the Danish league that uses 5 man teams you will recognise the problem Get to heat 5 and sometimes you've seen 2 opposing riders up against each 3 times already...... I know but do they at least 'belong' to the teams 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) Just read that Newcastle Diamonds have closed down, now official. Edited July 28, 2022 by TINYS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wessexbobcat Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 hours ago, ch958 said: need to go to 5 man teams until something changes, need a surplus of riders not a shortage. I wouldn't want it but I can't see another solution. It works elsewhere Denmark use 5 man teams doesn’t seem to work well ? Poor crowds same riders to often . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 I understand the drawbacks, just don't know what else to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, ch958 said: I understand the drawbacks, just don't know what else to do The sport is ran by the promoters for the promoters and riders... Getting a credible operating model won't be for one minute discussed at any meeting... Rinse and Repeat... Guestfest after Guestfest... As long as 'any kind of speedway' is put out then it is mission accomplished... An expensive hobby for those who can afford expensive hobbies... And a channel for lads to earn as much as they can in six months worth of work... That is all it is over here, and all it ever will be I would think, given the promoters all seem quite reluctant to even consider that what they offer detrimentally impacts their own businesses and the wider sport in general.. Obviously you cannot take it seriously, but you can still have a great night out at the speedway, especially at those tracks that can deliver great racing... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 46 minutes ago, mikebv said: The sport is ran by the promoters for the promoters and riders... Getting a credible operating model won't be for one minute discussed at any meeting... Rinse and Repeat... Guestfest after Guestfest... As long as 'any kind of speedway' is put out then it is mission accomplished... An expensive hobby for those who can afford expensive hobbies... And a channel for lads to earn as much as they can in six months worth of work... That is all it is over here, and all it ever will be I would think, given the promoters all seem quite reluctant to even consider that what they offer detrimentally impacts their own businesses and the wider sport in general.. Obviously you cannot take it seriously, but you can still have a great night out at the speedway, especially at those tracks that can deliver great racing... Good Summery of the Sport in GB,+ if you can get the supporters to gift you a little extra it helps.I agree good night out at the right tracks.Get jealous when I see the atmosphere at the big Matches in Poland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 23 hours ago, Fromafar said: Good Summery of the Sport in GB,+ if you can get the supporters to gift you a little extra it helps.I agree good night out at the right tracks.Get jealous when I see the atmosphere at the big Matches in Poland. And that's part of the problem. You can't really serve scrag end when all your customers can see the butcher over the road selling fillet steak. Especially if you're charging fillet steak prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted July 29, 2022 Report Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, enotian said: And that's part of the problem. You can't really serve scrag end But we've been serving scrag end for years, and it's working well! Why should we change? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 30, 2022 Report Share Posted July 30, 2022 7 hours ago, chunky said: But we've been serving scrag end for years, and it's working well! Why should we change? Sometimes it's seems now like even the scrag is missing and your left just getting a whiff of the juices on the paper it was wrapped in..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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