IainB Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, racers and royals said: You ask any rider why they haven`t challenged it and they would tell you- " we can`t afford to risk losing Poland" That's why I mentioned a riders union... Unity is Strength, comrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, iainb said: That's why I mentioned a riders union... Unity is Strength, comrade Not sure about that- equal pay for everyone- that wouldn`t work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 There plenty of industries where it is common to place restrictions of self-employed sub-contractors. I don't think Bosman would help any rider seeking to challenge the Polish rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 27 minutes ago, arnieg said: There plenty of industries where it is common to place restrictions of self-employed sub-contractors. I don't think Bosman would help any rider seeking to challenge the Polish rules. Are they self employed sub contractors in Poland? Or salaried employees? Either way it wouldn't stop you starting a union/ riders association Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, iainb said: Are they self employed sub contractors in Poland? Or salaried employees? Either way it wouldn't stop you starting a union/ riders association Even more in favour of the Polish clubs if they are salaried employees Most companies will have contact clauses stating you cannot work elsewhere without permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 Why are KL allowed to run R/R for a rider that no longer rides for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 2 hours ago, arnieg said: There plenty of industries where it is common to place restrictions of self-employed sub-contractors. I don't think Bosman would help any rider seeking to challenge the Polish rules. I don't think they are self employed anyway - at least not by the UK definition. They are contracted workers, which is different. If you are self employed you can choose to work or not to work as you see fit so I think is why 'Bosman' could not be applied here and if they sign a contract under those terms they have to stick to it or withdraw from it and face the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, TTT said: Why are KL allowed to run R/R for a rider that no longer rides for them? I'm no connoisseur of the rules by a long stretch, but withholding his services maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 59 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: I don't think they are self employed anyway - at least not by the UK definition. They are contracted workers, which is different. If you are self employed you can choose to work or not to work as you see fit so I think is why 'Bosman' could not be applied here and if they sign a contract under those terms they have to stick to it or withdraw from it and face the consequences. IR35 could be an issue then ... that would just about finish the sport off in the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: I don't think they are self employed anyway - at least not by the UK definition. They are contracted workers, which is different. If you are self employed you can choose to work or not to work as you see fit so I think is why 'Bosman' could not be applied here and if they sign a contract under those terms they have to stick to it or withdraw from it and face the consequences. They are definitely self employed. (I'm an a accountant specialising in tax) and I know people who sort out speedway riders tax affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, iainb said: So 2 leagues, GP's, SEC, Longtrack, SoN, SGP Qualifiers, SEC Qualifiers, open meetings is OK but not 3 leagues? The restriction of trade law... i.e. Bosman What contracts do the riders sign/agree to? British contracts don't really seem to be worth much, given that riders swap teams without any problems. Nobody has ever challenged the concept of "assets", and, as far as I know, the value of a British speedway club does not include any value for their riding "assets" - essentially, riders aren't worth anything ... Edited July 4, 2022 by Roger Jacobs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 KL with R/R. Panthers with fitness concerns over a couple of riders. Basso and Jorgy are the key riders tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TTT said: KL with R/R. Panthers with fitness concerns over a couple of riders. Basso and Jorgy are the key riders tonight. I think the difference could well be Bomber Harris, if he continues his recent form. Josh and Richard have only won 1 race each in the 3 away meetings so far. But i don't expect it to continue all season, and hopefully they start tonight. I can't see the Stars winning enough races tbh. 50-40 Edited July 4, 2022 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 I think the Panthers will win a close meeting, Kings Lynn will get a point. Harris to get a max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 Presumably no Jake Mulford or anyone else at number 8 for Lynn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismorton Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 Crap meeting so far...hope it improves..and more bad luck for the Panthers but it's a shame Anderson and co can't raise their game.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, chrismorton said: Crap meeting so far...hope it improves..and more bad luck for the Panthers but it's a shame Anderson and co can't raise their game.. Is the grip down low still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 Hans getting beat by Edwards is embarrassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 Why Jenkins bothers turning up I'll never know considering the prices of petrol these days. Never going to score a point unless it's a 3 rider race. Hans Andersen is a very lucky man too. Only reason why he's still here is because of what he's done for us in the past. Would've been sacked if he wasn't a club legend imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 4, 2022 Report Share Posted July 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Flappy said: Hans getting beat by Edwards is embarrassing Wouldn't be shocked if he retired at the end of the season when we announce that we're not going to run next season. Nicholls could follow him too considering he's got a career in punditry / presenting. Full time Eurosport commentating role for Nicholls is on the table if he wants it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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