LisaColette Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, foreverblue said: True, Sugarray thinks they all happened on the second bend. I think they all started happening on first bend but maybe landed going in to second bend! But would have to watch it again to be sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Well they usually call it that, the incidents occurred between bend one and two It's 'unsatisfactory start' I believe which they use for first bend incidents. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 10 hours ago, foreverblue said: Danyon is a good rider who is improving all the time and someone we should of kept in my opinion. Maybe he wanted the move as his child lives in Glasgow or close by apparently also a shame Basso didn't stay. Building a team with 3 top riders and a reserve that doesn't score any points is always going to be a problem. Not sure the point you're making, if you sign 3 top riders you're bound to need a 2.00 rider at the bottom. Conversely if you have a non-scoring 2.00 rider in your team, you need a strong top end to cover him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Not sure the point you're making, if you sign 3 top riders you're bound to need a 2.00 rider at the bottom. Conversely if you have a non-scoring 2.00 rider in your team, you need a strong top end to cover him! Yes i know, so don't build a team with three top riders, it is better to build a team with two top riders and a stronger reserve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 8:49 PM, Bandits4eva said: Gutting that heat 13 decision! On 6/29/2022 at 9:14 PM, Bandits4eva said: Losing by 8 with a very big under performing middle order! Gutted!! The most gutting incident of the night was the start marshal trying to get his gut between Drew Kemp and Chris Harris in heat 11! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Not sure the point you're making, if you sign 3 top riders you're bound to need a 2.00 rider at the bottom. Conversely if you have a non-scoring 2.00 rider in your team, you need a strong top end to cover him! 3 hours ago, foreverblue said: Yes i know, so don't build a team with three top riders, it is better to build a team with two top riders and a stronger reserve. Not when you consider Poole are doing better than Edinburgh, who have a strong top 2 & used 8 points for their reserves positions compared to the 5.5 points Poole used up. Oxford worse off with similar team planning, Nicholls & Batchelor looked a strong top 2 (before going downhill) & they also used up 8 points for the reserve positions! Edited June 30, 2022 by szkocjasid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 6 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Not when you consider Poole are doing better than Edinburgh, who have a strong top 2 & used 8 points for their reserves positions compared to the 5.5 points Poole used up. Oxford worse off with similar team planning, Nicholls & Batchelor looked a strong top 2 (before going downhill) & they also used up 8 points for the reserve positions! Three top riders usually ride in14 of a teams 30 races, 15 if one a Tac Sub... And on at least two occasions, together, three potentially if one on a Tac Sub ride.. A potential 10-2 off two heats can be a game changer, as can 15-3 if running a Tac Sub ride.. Reserves ride in less races combined and in some of those one of the top three will be alongside them.. Makes sense to me to get a strong trio leading the team... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Not when you consider Poole are doing better than Edinburgh, who have a strong top 2 & used 8 points for their reserves positions compared to the 5.5 points Poole used up. Oxford worse off with similar team planning, Nicholls & Batchelor looked a strong top 2 (before going downhill) & they also used up 8 points for the reserve positions! The problem is that if one or more of the top 3 has a slightly below par meeting then it falls apart because you don't have back up. I believe that the whole reason is that Basso left for Glasgow, if he had stayed would have been able to have a stronger reserve. Kemp should have been the lowest average reserve in my opinion. Glasgow and Leicester have built strength in depth and they look better than we do at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Three top riders usually ride in14 of a teams 30 races, 15 if one a Tac Sub... And on at least two occasions, together, three potentially if one on a Tac Sub ride.. A potential 10-2 off two heats can be a game changer, as can 15-3 if running a Tac Sub ride.. Reserves ride in less races combined and in some of those one of the top three will be alongside them.. Makes sense to me to get a strong trio leading the team... Given the current race format optimum line-up is a strong top 2, four solid middle order riders and a reserve on a minimum average (hopefully one capable of improving). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: The problem is that if one or more of the top 3 has a slightly below par meeting then it falls apart because you don't have back up. I believe that the whole reason is that Basso left for Glasgow, if he had stayed would have been able to have a stronger reserve. Kemp should have been the lowest average reserve in my opinion. Glasgow and Leicester have built strength in depth and they look better than we do at the moment. No point in having Basso if he misses loads of Wednesday meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 15 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Not sure the point you're making, if you sign 3 top riders you're bound to need a 2.00 rider at the bottom. Conversely if you have a non-scoring 2.00 rider in your team, you need a strong top end to cover him! 15 hours ago, foreverblue said: Yes i know, so don't build a team with three top riders, it is better to build a team with two top riders and a stronger reserve. I understand Poole's way of thinking going with a strong top 3(worked last year) with riders to improve but if you are keeping faith with a non scoring reserve for long term gain/experience then put him at 6 & have your scoring reserve at 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: I understand Poole's way of thinking going with a strong top 3(worked last year) with riders to improve but if you are keeping faith with a non scoring reserve for long term gain/experience then put him at 6 & have your scoring reserve at 7. Where Poole got lucky last year is that danyon took a massive leap forward (remember wouldn't have been there if RS hadn't been required). Once basso was signed they really had 7 riders capable of scoring points. This season the top 3 have mostly done their job (king maybe slightly disappointing) and the cook's have done ok at second string. But with Kemp inconsistent and ablitt scoring very little not the same dominance or fear factor. IMO anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 Drew showing signs of being consistent now. Him and Ben have swapped positions in the team for July. I thought maybe they would put Zach at 4 and Drew at 2. But no apparently Zach staying at 2 and Drew at 4. Something about Drew happy to ride against anyone? And I don't think they want to split up the Ben and Drew partnership in H14! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 5 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Drew showing signs of being consistent now. Him and Ben have swapped positions in the team for July. I thought maybe they would put Zach at 4 and Drew at 2. But no apparently Zach staying at 2 and Drew at 4. Something about Drew happy to ride against anyone? And I don't think they want to split up the Ben and Drew partnership in H14! at number 6 you ride against anyone as it is, hard number to be at 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 6 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Drew showing signs of being consistent now. Him and Ben have swapped positions in the team for July. I thought maybe they would put Zach at 4 and Drew at 2. But no apparently Zach staying at 2 and Drew at 4. Something about Drew happy to ride against anyone? And I don't think they want to split up the Ben and Drew partnership in H14! Where have you seen/heard that? With Steve Worrall going to 1 and presumably Danny to 3(?), I thought they may wish to keep the Danny/Zach pairing together. Incidentally Drew's July average is higher than both Zach's and Ben's - despite Ben actually increasing his average ever so slightly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Where have you seen/heard that? With Steve Worrall going to 1 and presumably Danny to 3(?), I thought they may wish to keep the Danny/Zach pairing together. Incidentally Drew's July average is higher than both Zach's and Ben's - despite Ben actually increasing his average ever so slightly! A Poole fan on twitter said Middlo was hinting at it in the press conference after the last meeting..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9100 Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 Yeah it was mentioned at the press conference. Zach said he's happy to stay at 2. I guess Zach was paired with Steve before Danny moved to No 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 21 hours ago, Skidder1 said: No point in having Basso if he misses loads of Wednesday meetings. No that is true. Just a shame we couldn't hang on to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Kemps a lad with very brittle confidence. Remember when he started at Sheffield like a house on fire but then regressed quicky once he went to no2 He then sat out the rest of the CL season and turned down offers as he wanted to ride at reserve. No 2 and No 4 are tough slots and it'll be interesting to see ho he fares. Having said that either Cook can and will fill their boots at reserve at home and some away tracks. Ablitt is obviously suffering a confidence issue and not getting enough NDL meetings at the moment to keep his pecker up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 15 hours ago, lisa-colette said: A Poole fan on twitter said Middlo was hinting at it in the press conference after the last meeting..? I think Zach is the better rider of the Cooks but Ben should fill his boots at reserve and Drew will be fine at second string, I think Drew and Ben ride well together. I am not sure it matters whether Ben rides at 6 or 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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