LisaColette Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Wardey said: Can someone refresh me on the 2 bad decisions that both Team managers referred to on the stream last night please. I thought Flint's was fair as there was no contact....but i will admit i am not a connoisseur of the rulebook. Thanks Think a lot felt Leon had nowhere to go and I have seen all 4 back for a lot less! A Poole fan asked the ref about H13 and 'apparently' he said that he felt Leon could have shut the throttle off, let the others pass and then cutback up the inside ( this is despite the one line being on the outside!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Think a lot felt Leon had nowhere to go and I have seen all 4 back for a lot less! A Poole fan asked the ref about H13 and 'apparently' he said that he felt Leon could have shut the throttle off, let the others pass and then cutback up the inside ( this is despite the one line being on the outside!!) So was the ref an ex rider who knows about throttle control? Also, wasn't Lawson's view of his incident with MPT saying "the throttle works both ways". Funny how I saw, and my opinion, of a few similar incidents from Poole riders the other week at our place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 simon kennett was the referee very poor decisions by him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, ray c said: simon kennett was the referee very poor decisions by him Never seen the incidents but what you have to remember is the ref only sees it once before he makes a decision,plenty have got it wrong in fans opinion but it’s his view of the incident that matters. Tv or video replays don’t count in GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Never seen the incidents but what you have to remember is the ref only sees it once before he makes a decision,plenty have got it wrong in fans opinion but it’s his view of the incident that matters. Tv or video replays don’t count in GB. why dont replays count,ive seen countless times at Arena essex where the camera crew and monitor sit right next to the ref,side by side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, speedwaysliders said: why dont replays count,ive seen countless times at Arena essex where the camera crew and monitor sit right next to the ref,side by side. Mainly because it is not readily available at all meetings therefore cannot be used.(trial by television).Certainly in UK I think that is the case.They use it in Poland by all their meetings are professionally filmed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: Danny Ford has stated more than once that Nathan is a long-term project so I don't see him leaving any time soon. Its the heat leaders that have 'gone off the boil' a little - maybe down to the track but that doesn't explain the poor gating! Bomber proved you can gate and win from every gate even though it made the meeting very processional!!! Incidentally the July team average is 43.06 - a mere 1.06 above the 42 point team building average I believe. It'll be interesting to see what it is by the cut-off date for the play-offs?! Do Summer Trophy meetings count towards GSA and team averages? I was thinking similar myself it has already dropped 1.5 points from the last set of averages. There is no such thing as a long term project in Speedway, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: Think a lot felt Leon had nowhere to go and I have seen all 4 back for a lot less! A Poole fan asked the ref about H13 and 'apparently' he said that he felt Leon could have shut the throttle off, let the others pass and then cutback up the inside ( this is despite the one line being on the outside!!) I think both should have been all 4 back and would have been with another referee. Usually any first bend incident is all 4 back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I think both should have been all 4 back and would have been with another referee. Usually any first bend incident is all 4 back. Both? As were 3 first bend incidents. Ablitt, Wells and Flint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 44 minutes ago, foreverblue said: I was thinking similar myself it has already dropped 1.5 points from the last set of averages. There is no such thing as a long term project in Speedway, There is when you move away from the top league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, IronScorpion said: So was the ref an ex rider who knows about throttle control? Also, wasn't Lawson's view of his incident with MPT saying "the throttle works both ways". Funny how I saw, and my opinion, of a few similar incidents from Poole riders the other week at our place! No idea, just what I was told this morning on twitter! It was discussed on one of Leon Flint's tweets I think. So easy to find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) dont think gary ablitt is being considered a long term project at all, matt ford is to good at team building not to have worked out that garys best hope was apoint in ht2 plus any gifts!but the team would be good enough to carry him this yr,unlikely to return me thinks edit. oops god knows where that came from Edited July 1, 2022 by poole keith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, poole keith said: dont think gary ablitt is being considered a long term project at all, matt ford is to good at team building not to have worked out that garys best hope was apoint in ht2 plus any gifts!but the team would be good enough to carry him this yr,unlikely to return me thinks Gary Ablitts career finished a long time ago at Everton,I'm afraid. Edited June 30, 2022 by lewy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 hours ago, poole keith said: dont think gary ablitt is being considered a long term project at all, matt ford is to good at team building not to have worked out that garys best hope was apoint in ht2 plus any gifts!but the team would be good enough to carry him this yr,unlikely to return me thinks Nathan, PK Nathan!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 hours ago, poole keith said: dont think gary ablitt is being considered a long term project at all, matt ford is to good at team building not to have worked out that garys best hope was apoint in ht2 plus any gifts!but the team would be good enough to carry him this yr,unlikely to return me thinks Definitely not long term in your eyes if you got his name wrong! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 hours ago, ray c said: simon kennett was the referee very poor decisions by him Was consistent and didn't really think any of his decisions were poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 hours ago, foreverblue said: I think both should have been all 4 back and would have been with another referee. Usually any first bend incident is all 4 back. All incidents were in fact on bend 2. There is no such rule as first bend bunching 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Both? As were 3 first bend incidents. Ablitt, Wells and Flint. True, Sugarray thinks they all happened on the second bend. Edited June 30, 2022 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 56 minutes ago, sugarray said: All incidents were in fact on bend 2. There is no such rule as first bend bunching Well they usually call it that, the incidents occurred between bend one and two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 Thought the ref got all the calls right last night. Watched the meeting back and hav’t changed my mind. Yes quite harsh but exactly the same as Poland. The only howler he made was allowing heat 11 to start when the start Marshall clearly bulked Kemp. Red light should have come on and riders to reset at tapes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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