Trees Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 46 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Can they afford not to? Every track relies on cash flow from a die-hard group of fans, yet they expect those fans to accept everything, with no goodwill offers. Why not do something that actually might get noticed and appreciated? No, it's the same old, same old. I'm thinking about going to Foxhall on 14 July - for various reasons it will be my first visit this season, but I'm still not convinced I'll get value for my £20 - so might save it for something else ... Every promoter could offer fans lots of special experiences on a race night, not sure they all do though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said: It's the "as usual" but that's key here - paying customers are expected to accept whatever is dished-up. How about something like: "Sorry we weren't prepared for what happened, and that the match had to be abandoned - you can have £3 off your next visit to Sheffield." I suspect the standard speedway line of 'if you don't like don't come' will be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/28/2022 at 3:04 PM, 4thbender said: Something painfully clear this season is that the Tigers' heat leader trio of Holder, Musielak and Ellis never score points in their first races, but come back fighting after about heat 5 or 6. It makes me wonder whether the track needs a few races to sort itself out. Having been twice this season Musielak is a very slow starter he has twice run a 0 out of gate 4 in his first ride! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) On 6/28/2022 at 4:01 PM, Charlieboy said: Exactly. But the facts are not considered by Ipswich fans you can’t educate these carrot crunching numpties in Ipswich. We’ve done the double over them already this season and in the first meeting they were sniping cus jack holder was injured and missed riding at one of his non favourite tracks because of an injury in the GP 2 days before. This was Live on tv which they will have watched cus they are only armchair fans. Then last night blamed the air fence and time wasting for the defeat !!!! They need to grow up accept defeat Move on Interesting comments perhaps wind yer neck in a bit there fella - I suspect had the boot been on t'other foot then it would be a different story - as someone once said if ever you want a thorough and frank examinantion of your shortcomings then a Yorkshireman is your fellow for the job - trouble is they don't like it being said back to them!! That said - the explanations were helpful from the promotion - perhaps a statement that included something like 'We will learn from this and try to ensure this doesn't happen again' would be in order. As someone who goes to both Owlerton and Foxhall (I have a foot in both camps here) and I can fully understand why the delays would seem a frustration to Witches. To end on a positive there were one or two cracking races - Doyle worth the admission alone! Edited June 29, 2022 by GeneralMelchett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 Why mate what’s the problem with my comments. Sport is about winning and losing and some people can’t accept defeat without sniping. I’m happy when we win unhappy when we lose but just accept it. No team in any sport wins every meeting. That’s a fact. But some just spout off when not knowing the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHowe Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: It's the "as usual" but that's key here - paying customers are expected to accept whatever is dished-up. How about something like: "Sorry we weren't prepared for what happened, and that the match had to be abandoned - you can have £3 off your next visit to Sheffield." I’ll gladly stand corrected, but has any speedway promoter ever offered a refund for a meeting that ran 13 of the programmed 15 heats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 6 hours ago, Charlieboy said: Why mate what’s the problem with my comments. Sport is about winning and losing and some people can’t accept defeat without sniping. I’m happy when we win unhappy when we lose but just accept it. No team in any sport wins every meeting. That’s a fact. But some just spout off when not knowing the facts. The issue isn't about winning or losing, as we had lost anyway. The issue is there was still a point up for grabs, given the form of Doyle & the inconsistent nights of the other 3 that were likely to be in heat 15 it's perfectly possible that Ipswich would have got a 5-1 to salvage a point. Maybe the fairest & most professional conclusion would be to give Ipswich an extra point or leave Ipswich with zero and downgrade Sheffield's win to a 2 point home win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 20 hours ago, Charlieboy said: The blower feeding the fence was damaged due to air been forced back into the blower had to be replaced. The inner sock on this panel was also damaged. Apparently this hasn’t happened before so caused problems for our staff. 10 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said: That said - the explanations were helpful from the promotion - perhaps a statement that included something like 'We will learn from this and try to ensure this doesn't happen again' would be in order You would hope that this freak incident has been fed back to the air fence manufactures and that they are working on designing in some kind of non-return valve fix so it doesn't happen again in the future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: The issue isn't about winning or losing, as we had lost anyway. The issue is there was still a point up for grabs, given the form of Doyle & the inconsistent nights of the other 3 that were likely to be in heat 15 it's perfectly possible that Ipswich would have got a 5-1 to salvage a point. Maybe the fairest & most professional conclusion would be to give Ipswich an extra point or leave Ipswich with zero and downgrade Sheffield's win to a 2 point home win. And where in the rules is this There are no guarantees in speedway and you are assuming that Doyle would have had two wins, has he won every Race has been in this season? You lost by eight points just accept it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 12 hours ago, Charlieboy said: Why mate what’s the problem with my comments. Sport is about winning and losing and some people can’t accept defeat without sniping. I’m happy when we win unhappy when we lose but just accept it. No team in any sport wins every meeting. That’s a fact. But some just spout off when not knowing the facts. I dont really have a problem with what you said to be honest just felt it was said in a provocative way The matter is much more nuanced and complex than a simple its your fault or their fault - however for good of the sport lets hope everyone learns from it - as one of my old bosses used to say - 'What's the learning been here' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 hours ago, iainb said: You would hope that this freak incident has been fed back to the air fence manufactures and that they are working on designing in some kind of non-return valve fix so it doesn't happen again in the future for sure yes - lets hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: The issue isn't about winning or losing, as we had lost anyway. The issue is there was still a point up for grabs, given the form of Doyle & the inconsistent nights of the other 3 that were likely to be in heat 15 it's perfectly possible that Ipswich would have got a 5-1 to salvage a point. Maybe the fairest & most professional conclusion would be to give Ipswich an extra point or leave Ipswich with zero and downgrade Sheffield's win to a 2 point home win. actually a draw was possible until Starke crashed - 2x 5-1 would have seen a 45-45. I suppose it a bit like a football being stopped in the 80th minute with a team leading 2-1 - if the result is awarded then the losers will always say 'what if' - At least speedway does have a precedent in that anything called after after heat whatever the result stands!! If the losing party feel the match was curtailed due to timewasting / delay / incompetence etc its only reasonable they might complain a bit! As the rules stand its been dealt with correctly even if that is a tad unfair on Ipswich. Edited June 30, 2022 by GeneralMelchett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, RobHowe said: I’ll gladly stand corrected, but has any speedway promoter ever offered a refund for a meeting that ran 13 of the programmed 15 heats? No, but that doesn't mean a progressive promotion (or even whole organisation) trying to improve the standing of the sport shouldn't consider doing it ... Edited June 30, 2022 by Roger Jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said: I dont really have a problem with what you said to be honest just felt it was said in a provocative way The matter is much more nuanced and complex than a simple its your fault or their fault - however for good of the sport lets hope everyone learns from it - as one of my old bosses used to say - 'What's the learning been here' Not provocative mate. It just makes me laugh when people don’t attend matches but think they know the true facts. When the track staff explain something they have worked on and then get slagged off how would you react. Them lads work hard every week and yet some keyboard warrior slates them without knowing what actually happened. It was a one off and hopefully everyone learns from it. Had it been at Ipswich then I think there would have been more lieiency from the home fans regarding the delay. It’s done now so look forward to next meeting 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Charlieboy said: Not provocative mate. It just makes me laugh when people don’t attend matches but think they know the true facts. When the track staff explain something they have worked on and then get slagged off how would you react. Them lads work hard every week and yet some keyboard warrior slates them without knowing what actually happened. It was a one off and hopefully everyone learns from it. Had it been at Ipswich then I think there would have been more lieiency from the home fans regarding the delay. It’s done now so look forward to next meeting Total guff - no one has slagged the track staff. It wasn't their fault in any way They could only work with what they had available Had they have had the correct spare sections and connections no doubt it would've been done far more speedily If it had been at Ipswich then the criticism would've been the same from the Witches fans on here. In general those posting on here from Ipswich are the least forgiving of their own promotion and if anything more critical where things are not quite right on their doorstep Rarely will you see the Witches posters trying to defend the indefensible just because its their team/promotion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 There's just been a 50 minute delay with Rafa's match on Centre Court while they put the lid on... does anybody have the address for the British Tennis Forum? I'm absolutely livid 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHowe Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Total guff - no one has slagged the track staff. It wasn't their fault in any way They could only work with what they had available Had they have had the correct spare sections and connections no doubt it would've been done far more speedily If it had been at Ipswich then the criticism would've been the same from the Witches fans on here. In general those posting on here from Ipswich are the least forgiving of their own promotion and if anything more critical where things are not quite right on their doorstep Rarely will you see the Witches posters trying to defend the indefensible just because its their team/promotion No one? I take it you’ve not ventured onto social media and seen the number of fans slagging off the track staff? Pretty much as you go onto do in this very post….. Given everything you know about what actually happened on Monday night, and the unforeseen and challenging outcome of Danny’s crash, can you please explain why you think Sheffield fans are trying to defend the indefensible? Thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHowe Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, iainb said: There's just been a 50 minute delay with Rafa's match on Centre Court while they put the lid on... does anybody have the address for the British Tennis Forum? I'm absolutely livid All the money available to Wimbledon and they can’t close a roof in 10 minutes?! We can close roofs up here in 5 minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHowe Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: No, but that doesn't mean a progressive promotion (or even whole organisation) trying to improve the standing of the sport shouldn't consider doing it ... You’re aware that most if not all clubs are hanging in their financially and won’t have the cashflow to do such a thing, as admirable as it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, RobHowe said: You’re aware that most if not all clubs are hanging in their financially and won’t have the cashflow to do such a thing, as admirable as it is? And whilst the paying public is continually taken for mugs the cashflow will dwindle further and further as more and more walk away week after week year after year...... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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