Charlieboy Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 4 hours ago, topaz325 said: Agree Charlie but as for who won its rather a moot point, there was some good racing between the delays but the whole episode did no favours to the sport whatever the rights and wrongs . Why is it a mooted point ? The point of the meeting is for someone to win someone to lose. Top 2 teams in league giving there all. Good meeting unfortunately drawn out due to circumstances. At the end of the meeting my summary was we won and go top and fortunately for Ipswich their riders walked away so that’s a result for both wouldnt you say? Thank god for the air fence doing it’s job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Charlieboy said: Why is it a mooted point ? The point of the meeting is for someone to win someone to lose. Top 2 teams in league giving there all. Good meeting unfortunately drawn out due to circumstances. At the end of the meeting my summary was we won and go top and fortunately for Ipswich their riders walked away so that’s a result for both wouldnt you say? Thank god for the air fence doing it’s job 2 hours ago, Charlieboy said: Why is it a mooted point ? The point of the meeting is for someone to win someone to lose. Top 2 teams in league giving there all. Good meeting unfortunately drawn out due to circumstances. At the end of the meeting my summary was we won and go top and fortunately for Ipswich their riders walked away so that’s a result for both wouldnt you say? Thank god for the air fence doing it’s job Just listened to the No brakes podcast and maybe some of us have jumped the gun on the Sheffield meeting problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 25 minutes ago, topaz325 said: Just listened to the No brakes podcast and maybe some of us have jumped the gun on the Sheffield meeting problems. I will take a listen. because sadly what happened as taken away what was probably one of the best meetings on Tv with some excellent racing. Which is sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 Sheffield have swooped for Justin Sedgmen in place of Jake Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 Looks like Justin Sedgeman made a good impression. Signed to replace Jake Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dornier said: Sheffield have swooped for Justin Sedgmen in place of Jake Allen Blimey Jake must wonder what is going on, he has only been riding for Sheffield a short while, misses a meeting and already out of a job. Sedgeman riding well but is he better than Jake Allen? Jake shouldn't be out for long so could of just used guests until his return. Edited June 29, 2022 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 18 hours ago, Jonny the spud said: Apart from Adams retirement in his first race last night, he’s finished either first of second in every meeting at Sheffield apart from the season opener. just saying. The stats tend to disprove your assertion. The role of the heat leader (a bit like an opening batsman in cricket) is to get points on the board early on, to get the match off to a good start and ensure the team is not playing catch-up later on. Sheffield’s heat leaders clearly aren’t taking full advantage of their first races to give the team a head’s start. In the 11 league and cup matches this season the three heat leaders of Holder, Musielak and Ellis have, in their respective first races, finished in the following placings: HOLDER: 1st places: 2 at home, 0 away, total 2 2nd places: 2 at home, 0 away, total 2 3rd places: 2 at home, 2 away, total 4 4th places: 0 at home, 2away (inc. 1 disqualification), total 2 (NB Holder did not race at Ipswich)Home record: 12 points out of a potential 18 (66.7%) Away record: 2 points out of a potential 12 (16.7%) Overall record: 14 points out of a potential 30 (46.7%) MUSIELAK: 1st places: 1 at home, 2away, total 3 2nd places: 0 at home, 1 away, total 1 3rd places: 2 at home, 2 away, total 4 4th places: 3 at home, 0 away, total 3Home Record: 5 points out of a potential 18 (27.8%) Away record: 10 points out of a potential 15 (66.7%) Overall record: 15 points out of a potential 33 (45.5%) ELLIS: 1st places: 2 at home, 3 away, total 5 2nd places: 2 at home, 1 away, total 3 3rd places: 0 at home, 0 away, total 0 4th places: 2 at home, 1 away, total 3Home Record: 10 points out of a potential 18 (55.6%) Away record: 11 points out of a potential 15 (73.3%) Overall record: 15 points out of a potential 33 (45.5%) Holder has a very good home record (scoring 66.7% of his heat 1 points), but this drops to only 16.7% away from home. Musielak tends to do badly in heat 3 at home (scoring only 27.8%), but does far better away, improving that figure to 66.7%. Ellis has only a very average heat 4 success rate of 55.6% at home, but away from home is the best of all three, scoring 73.3% of his possible points in heat 4. This explains why Sheffield are slow to score early on at home (e.g. scores even after heat 6 in the Ipswich match) and are prone to tight finishes away from home. If the three heat leaders could cut out the fourth places in heats 1, 3 and 4, the team would find itself much less on the back foot. The data to support these conclusions is as follows: HOLDER Wolverhampton v Sheffield 4/4 3rd Sheffield v Belle Vue 14/4 3rd Sheffield v Peterborough 5/5 1st Ipswich v Tigers 16/5 N/A Sheffield v Wolverhampton 19/5 2nd Sheffield v Belle Vue 26/5 1st Wolverhampton v Sheffield 30/5 4th Sheffield v Wolverhampton 9/6 3rd Peterborough v Sheffield 13/6 3rd Kings Lynn v Sheffield 23/6 Disqualified Sheffield v Ipswich 27/6 2nd MUSIELAK Wolverhampton v Sheffield 4/4 1st Sheffield v Belle Vue 14/4 3rd Sheffield v Peterborough 5/5 1st Ipswich v Tigers 16/5 3rd Sheffield v Wolverhampton 19/5 3rd Sheffield v Belle Vue 26/5 4th Wolverhampton v Sheffield 30/5 2nd Sheffield v Wolverhampton 9/6 4th Peterborough v Sheffield 13/6 1st Kings Lynn v Sheffield 23/6 3rd Sheffield v Ipswich 27/6 4th ELLIS Wolverhampton v Sheffield 4/4 1st Sheffield v Belle Vue 14/4 4th Sheffield v Peterborough 5/5 2nd Ipswich v Sheffield 16/5 1st Sheffield v Wolverhampton 19/5 2nd Sheffield v Belle Vue 26/5 1st Wolverhampton v Sheffield 30/5 4th Sheffield v Wolverhampton 9/6 1st Peterborough v Sheffield 13/6 2nd Kings Lynn v Sheffield 23/6 1st Sheffield v Ipswich 27/6 4th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 That's Sheffields allocation of 2 changes used up then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted June 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: That's Sheffields allocation of 2 changes used up then.... Do injury replacements count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: That's Sheffields allocation of 2 changes used up then.... Bit hasty then as they may have riders out of form later in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RS50 said: Do injury replacements count? Injury has to be "long term" A few weeks for a scaphoid is far from long term As ever though the regulation is wooly enough to be open to interpretation so it could depend on whose asking Mind you further changes unlikely to be required anyway Edited June 29, 2022 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: Blimey Jake must wonder what is going on, he has only been riding for Sheffield a short while, misses a meeting and already out of a job. Sedgeman riding well but is he better than Jake Allen? Jake shouldn't be out for long so could of just used guests until his return. Allen's average goes down as of 1 July, and Sedgmen's increases (converted from his new Championship Green Sheet). Very good move to sort it now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Allen's average goes down as of 1 July, and Sedgmen's increases (converted from his new Championship Green Sheet). Very good move to sort it now. Sounds like a good move unless Sedgeman goes off form later in the season which history tells us is highly likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 11 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: The whole point is that you have spares available, including the piping. I can understand if more piping was damaged than they had spares for, but it appears they didn't have any. Just because it's never happened before, doesn't mean it won't happen. In a professional and/or business environment, you have to be prepared for as many eventualities as possible. Testing of the air fences should have dictated that spare tubing be available - it certainly should be now. As usual, it's apologies from the authorities, thanks for being patient, and to be frank, not a thought that their customers were robbed of what they paid to see. The usual British speedway story ... What else could they say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Sounds like a good move unless Sedgeman goes off form later in the season which history tells us is highly likely. History tells us that Allen doesn't get any better ... Edited June 29, 2022 by Roger Jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Trees said: What else could they say? It's the "as usual" but that's key here - paying customers are expected to accept whatever is dished-up. How about something like: "Sorry we weren't prepared for what happened, and that the match had to be abandoned - you can have £3 off your next visit to Sheffield." Edited June 29, 2022 by Roger Jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: It's the "as usual" but that's key here - paying customers are expected to accept whatever is dished-up. How about something like: "Sorry we weren't prepared for what happened, and that the match had to be abandoned - you can have £3 off your next visit to Sheffield." I don't suppose for one minute they can afford that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted June 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 30 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: It's the "as usual" but that's key here - paying customers are expected to accept whatever is dished-up. How about something like: "Sorry we weren't prepared for what happened, and that the match had to be abandoned - you can have £3 off your next visit to Sheffield." How about starting at the advertised time of 7.30 (not the actual time of 7.50). An extra twenty minutes could have seen the meeting fully concluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Trees said: I don't suppose for one minute they can afford that? Can they afford not to? Every track relies on cash flow from a die-hard group of fans, yet they expect those fans to accept everything, with no goodwill offers. Why not do something that actually might get noticed and appreciated? No, it's the same old, same old. I'm thinking about going to Foxhall on 14 July - for various reasons it will be my first visit this season, but I'm still not convinced I'll get value for my £20 - so might save it for something else ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooose Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 31 minutes ago, RS50 said: How about starting at the advertised time of 7.30 (not the actual time of 7.50). An extra twenty minutes could have seen the meeting fully concluded. TV coverage put paid to that. All the riders were ready to go at 7:30, with bikes on track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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