Arch Stanton Posted June 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Two quick things I haven’t mentioned, agree with Baldy about the track. Was good last night which must have been very tough to prep with the dry warm weather so credit where it’s due. And was also not only good to see King looking much better, but he actually rode some good inside lines to good effect in 15 and 16 which we don’t often see so good on him. Hopefully the start of better form for the second half of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 But why only for a drawn match - it's still a valid result. Why not have a coupe of extra heats if it finishes 46-44 - with a bit of different luck the result could have gone either way. What makes a draw need an extra race, because it's not exciting enough in its own right? How many new fans will be drawn (LOL!) to the sport, in the hope they get an extra race? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 5 hours ago, stu219 said: Weather you agree with the superheat its box office for sure. Just had to see that nonone left before the end and the reaction of the crowd showed the passion. Many have been crying out for this and we got it last night. My thoughts for what its worth is that the super heat should just be for an extra point though. So last night it would have been ipswich 2 points and boro 2 points. Still worth having the super heat though and we all got an extra race and what a race it was hey? So why only for a draw? Why not for a close result, which could have gone either way? Why not have 20 heat matches, so people get even more value for their money? Maybe, on the basis of last night, there will be thousands more at Foxhall next week ... actually not, there's not another home match until 14 July ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Thumb Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 48 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: So why only for a draw? Why not for a close result, which could have gone either way? Why not have 20 heat matches, so people get even more value for their money? Maybe, on the basis of last night, there will be thousands more at Foxhall next week ... actually not, there's not another home match until 14 July ... There will be thousands more at Foxhall next week as it's National Hot Rod World Final Weekend. no denying the atmosphere after the Superheat was great but was just as good after heat 15 after we'd salvaged a draw and 1point was prob all we deserved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Tom Thumb said: There will be thousands more at Foxhall next week as it's National Hot Rod World Final Weekend. no denying the atmosphere after the Superheat was great but was just as good after heat 15 after we'd salvaged a draw and 1point was prob all we deserved. I’d argue that was because it secured the super heat and gave us the chance of winning it. Would it have been the same if it was just the draw with no super heat to follow? I personally doubt it. I also disagree that the atmosphere was just as good after 15 as it was for the super heat. Certainly wasn’t where I was standing. Edited June 24, 2022 by Arch Stanton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tom Thumb said: There will be thousands more at Foxhall next week as it's National Hot Rod World Final Weekend. no denying the atmosphere after the Superheat was great but was just as good after heat 15 after we'd salvaged a draw and 1point was prob all we deserved. Ipswich deserved the 3 points because they managed to do what was needed to secure them. Instead of all the hard done by stories and whinging, if you want the 3 points then just win the damn meeting! It’s pretty simple. Ipswich go to Sheffield on Monday knowing full well if it’s a draw after 15 heats then they’ll have to win a super heat to earn the 3 points. If they don’t then they’ll go home with one. Not one club is being hard done by here and not one club has an advantage over anyone else. The rules are set at the start of the season and every club has an equal amount of home and away meetings to secure as many points as they can within the current rules. If you draw an away meeting but then lose the super heat, tough! Take your point and on to the next. Edited June 24, 2022 by Steve Irving 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Steve Irving said: Ipswich deserved the 3 points because they managed to do what was needed to secure them. Instead of all the hard done by stories and whinging, if you want the 3 points then just win the damn meeting! It’s pretty simple. Ipswich go to Sheffield on Monday knowing full well if it’s a draw after 15 heats then they’ll have to win a super heat to earn the 3 points. If they don’t then they’ll go home with one. Not one club is being hard done by here and not one club has an advantage over anyone else. The rules are set at the start of the season and every club has an equal amount of home and away meetings to secure as many points as they can within the current rules. If you draw an away meeting but then lose the super heat, tough! Take your point and on to the next. But the whole point is ... why? A draw is a valid result, no different to 44-46 or 62-28. Why is there a need to make it different? The League point structure was changed to reward the away team with an extra league point for a narrow loss (-7 or less), a draw, a win by up to +6, and a win by +7 or more, because in speedway it is recognised that a good away performance is more difficult to achieve. So why does a draw have to be different to any other result? If the result had been 44-46 or 46-44, maybe there should be two or three more heats to add even more excitement? If it's 49-41 should there be another heat to see if the away team can get the extra away point. Or if it's 41-49, should there be another heat to see if the home team can stop the away team winning the additional league point? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said: But the whole point is ... why? A draw is a valid result, no different to 44-46 or 62-28. Why is there a need to make it different? The League point structure was changed to reward the away team with an extra league point for a narrow loss (-7 or less), a draw, a win by up to +6, and a win by +7 or more, because in speedway it is recognised that a good away performance is more difficult to achieve. So why does a draw have to be different to any other result? If the result had been 44-46 or 46-44, maybe there should be two or three more heats to add even more excitement? If it's 49-41 should there be another heat to see if the away team can get the extra away point. Or if it's 41-49, should there be another heat to see if the home team can stop the away team winning the additional league point? That really doesn’t make much sense to me. If a team win away from home 41-49 then of course there shouldn’t be an extra heat, the away team quite rightly take home the points. You may think an extra heat after a draw is absurd, but your suggestion really would be. The rules are clear and designed to award the points for a win on the night. The same if it was 44-46 or 46-44, you already have your winner so obviously no need for the extra heat. If it ends up a draw, then go to the super heat to decide the points! To me it’s quite clear they’ve tried to add something a little extra and it remains to be seen if they stick with it next season and beyond. Obviously it’s far too quirky for some and that’s fine, we all will have an opinion on it. But I’d say Speedway so often gets criticised for being stuck in the dark ages and having the stigma of having an old pensioners following, is it the older traditionalists who don’t like change that mainly have a problem with this? The same one’s that hated the green helmet colour and hankered for the return of the old yellow/black combo? It’s a tense and exciting climax for those watching and is in my opinion a great addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Isn't sport about winning? (Definitely NOT about taking part... that's bull$hit ) There should be a winner and a loser... simple. What's the point of a draw? Its a draw before you start so by the end of 2 hours competition there should be a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: But the whole point is ... why? A draw is a valid result, no different to 44-46 or 62-28. Why is there a need to make it different? The League point structure was changed to reward the away team with an extra league point for a narrow loss (-7 or less), a draw, a win by up to +6, and a win by +7 or more, because in speedway it is recognised that a good away performance is more difficult to achieve. So why does a draw have to be different to any other result? If the result had been 44-46 or 46-44, maybe there should be two or three more heats to add even more excitement? If it's 49-41 should there be another heat to see if the away team can get the extra away point. Or if it's 41-49, should there be another heat to see if the home team can stop the away team winning the additional league point? I agree with Steve here, I think the part in bold is part of the problem these days to be honest. The sport is crying out for something a bit different. Not sure if you were there or not but if you weren’t, maybe your opinion on it would soften if you were there and caught up in the moment? Then again probably not, think your mind is well and truly made up on this one. I can honestly say i can’t remember ever leaving the stadium with the same buzz I felt on Thursday evening.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Steve Irving said: That really doesn’t make much sense to me. If a team win away from home 41-49 then of course there shouldn’t be an extra heat, the away team quite rightly take home the points. You may think an extra heat after a draw is absurd, but your suggestion really would be. The rules are clear and designed to award the points for a win on the night. The same if it was 44-46 or 46-44, you already have your winner so obviously no need for the extra heat. If it ends up a draw, then go to the super heat to decide the points! To me it’s quite clear they’ve tried to add something a little extra and it remains to be seen if they stick with it next season and beyond. Obviously it’s far too quirky for some and that’s fine, we all will have an opinion on it. But I’d say Speedway so often gets criticised for being stuck in the dark ages and having the stigma of having an old pensioners following, is it the older traditionalists who don’t like change that mainly have a problem with this? The same one’s that hated the green helmet colour and hankered for the return of the old yellow/black combo? It’s a tense and exciting climax for those watching and is in my opinion a great addition. Fair enough. The point (if you'll pardon the pun) that I'm trying to make is that if a draw is a close result, which the away team was previously rewarded for automatically, then so is 49-41 or 41-49, because both results are close enough for teams to gain or lose another league point. Why is a draw different, when it's a tense result in its own right? Why does it need another heat, when no other valid results do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 21 hours ago, scoobydoo said: Why dont they have a DD at the end like the Bangers last man standing wins , Ipswich would only need one rider ? You could get mick Poole and ronni pedersen out of retirement whilst we get Tim hunt and preben eriksen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Fair enough. The point (if you'll pardon the pun) that I'm trying to make is that if a draw is a close result, which the away team was previously rewarded for automatically, then so is 49-41 or 41-49, because both results are close enough for teams to gain or lose another league point. Why is a draw different, when it's a tense result in its own right? Why does it need another heat, when no other valid results do? We’re going around in circles here. Of course a draw is a close result, you can’t get closer can you? There isn’t a winner, it’s a draw, level. 49-41 is a clear win for the home side, 41-49 is a clear win for the away side. close? Well sort of I suppose but where would you draw the line? There’s no need for an extra heat in those circumstances because there’s a clear winner on the night. That’s the top and bottom of it, they’ve introduced a new rule to make sure there’s a winner on the night. No mutual pats on the back or gentleman’s handshake on a “fair” well earned draw, there’s going to be a winner, and there’s going to be a loser. You’re going to win some, and you’re going to lose some, swings and roundabouts. What can’t be denied is that it’s a hugely exciting end to a meeting that a draw simply can’t match. I respect your opinion on this and you’re not in favour and you’re clearly not alone. I have a different opinion and think it’s good for the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Super heats are a get out of jail card for the home team, imo it's just another micky mouse rule that should have no place in league speedway... 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: I agree with Steve here, I think the part in bold is part of the problem these days to be honest. The sport is crying out for something a bit different. Not sure if you were there or not but if you weren’t, maybe your opinion on it would soften if you were there and caught up in the moment? Then again probably not, think your mind is well and truly made up on this one. I can honestly say i can’t remember ever leaving the stadium with the same buzz I felt on Thursday evening.. Well.....that unexpected win against Poole in the semifinals was pretty damn exciting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 The only ones who seem to like these golden heats are the ones who have benefitted from them.People I have spoke to think it's a waste of time and effort,especially for the away side. We never get draws in other sports do we,oh hang on,only the biggest sports in the world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 4 hours ago, tellboy said: The only ones who seem to like these golden heats are the ones who have benefitted from them.People I have spoke to think it's a waste of time and effort,especially for the away side. We never get draws in other sports do we,oh hang on,only the biggest sports in the world. Well I have it on good authority that the FA are so impressed with speedway's golden heat that they plan to introduce something similar to the premier League next season. An unexpected result of this fact finding mission is they will also be introducing a guest player system as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Why are people comparing Speedway to Football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: Why are people comparing Speedway to Football? One person = people? This whole forum is a small microcosm of a small number of fans - only a handful bother to post regularly, so it's hardly a broad view ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 18 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Well I have it on good authority that the FA are so impressed with speedway's golden heat that they plan to introduce something similar to the premier League next season. An unexpected result of this fact finding mission is they will also be introducing a guest player system as well. Has Bomber got a pair of football boots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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