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10 hours ago, martinmauger said:

Nutshell:  Not sure of the exact regs or rider opinions on then night but as the meeting didn't reach a satisfactory result to 'just let the previous winner keep the title' is a new rule on me .

That  has never happened ..The previous winner been given the wildcard . Ellis just like any other isport  is the Current champion until its  ran again and we have a new champion  ..nothing new about that .

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Maybe some fall out from this will also be to run the meeting earlier in the season? Well before the GP itself...

The first reason being the obvious one that it could still be concluded if it got rained off, without recourse to "in the event of" regulations..

And the other being the winner gets a decent amount of time to prepare for the GP itself.. 

It is a huge opportunity for riders, and this year, whoever won it, it wouldn't leave them much time for bike prep when they need top kit,  gaining extra sponsors wanting to be seen around the globe, and planning how to actually look after sponsors on the night...

Lots to do logistically so the more prep time the better..

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17 hours ago, arnieg said:

Ellis was and still is 2021 British Champion.

 

As regards the rules for the 2022 British championship there were only two options within the rules:

 

1] declare a result using countback regulations, or

2] abandon without a result with the intention to rerun at a later date 

It appears nobody was happy with option A which would have meant drawing of lots.

The choice of Cardiff wildcard is a separate matter and the SCB made a pragmatic and reasonable decision in picking Ellis.

PS No lots were involved in 1977 European Junior Championship. Scores after 12 heats: Busk 9, Owen 8,  Collins 7. 2005 on the other hand....

Thanks for 2022 rule update.  Musta bin another year when a championship was decided by a coin toss, pretty sure it happened though; poss Tony Briggs / Dennis Sigalos / Ron Preston / (early) Tommy Knudsen & Erik Gundersen U21 era ?...

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On 8/4/2022 at 7:19 AM, HGould said:

Fair play to Dan and Lambert who were not afraid to jump in to the toughest League and try to progress rather than stay in comfort zones.

It's clear to see how quickly Brennan has done the same, he would probably not have progressed as quickly had circumstances not forced his hand and it's sad they did but every cloud has a silver lining and circumstances made  his mnd up but moving to Belle Vue and Glasgow, power big tracks has bought him on far quicker than had he stayed in his comfort zone at Eastbourne.

He needs to be riding in Polish middle tier regularly next season to ensure he keeps up with some of his Under 24 peers in Poland , Czech and Scandinavia. No reason he can't do that and ride for BV and Glasgow either. 

Bewley would have progressed anyway, no matter where he rode, in my opinion.  He was on the upward curve anyway.  There's nothing about being afraid either if you're offered an eye watering salary.  I see other old hands such as Hampel and Protaseiwicz are still doing well.  The poles didn't do so well when up against the others at the SON did they, so the view of where might be tough is different depending on who you are.

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6 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

Bewley would have progressed anyway, no matter where he rode, in my opinion.  He was on the upward curve anyway.  There's nothing about being afraid either if you're offered an eye watering salary.  I see other old hands such as Hampel and Protaseiwicz are still doping well.  The tpoles didn't do so well when up against the others at the SON did they, so the view of where might be tough is different depending on who you are.

But would he have progressed at the rate he has without an Extraliga spot? Doubtful I'd say. The top division in Poland is the place to be if you have aspirations of being and becoming world class, the sooner Brennan can get himself there the better for his development 

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1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

But would he have progressed at the rate he has without an Extraliga spot? Doubtful I'd say. The top division in Poland is the place to be if you have aspirations of being and becoming world class, the sooner Brennan can get himself there the better for his development 

Sure Tommy B will be heading that way. On podcasts during lock-down Martin Dugard was saying Tom needed to get more European experience he has done that this season and I am sure with a strong performance in the SGP2 next week and I am sure he will be representing his Polish team more regularly in 2023. 

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2 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

But would he have progressed at the rate he has without an Extraliga spot? Doubtful I'd say. The top division in Poland is the place to be if you have aspirations of being and becoming world class, the sooner Brennan can get himself there the better for his development 

I think he would - it's not as though he wouldn't have had opportunities to race there.  I do accept though that the added coin in his pocket will have allowed him to spend more on his support team and there is more pressure from the media/fans there to do well.

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4 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

I think he would - it's not as though he wouldn't have had opportunities to race there.  I do accept though that the added coin in his pocket will have allowed him to spend more on his support team and there is more pressure from the media/fans there to do well.

Plus the main thing is that racing against faster (the fastest) riders makes him go faster and facing them week in week out means its sink or swim. Both he and Lambert have gone to a different level since riding in that league regularly.

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2 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Plus the main thing is that racing against faster (the fastest) riders makes him go faster and facing them week in week out means its sink or swim. Both he and Lambert have gone to a different level since riding in that league regularly.

Sink or swim maybe but I remember people on here wetting themselves thinking how dominant Musielak would be in this league but he's only managed a GSA of 8.09 (7.67 away from Sheffield).  Holder has been even worse in the UK.  Perhaps it's here where riders are developed ;)

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The development of Brennan has been excellent. I saw him race his first race in Eastbourne kevlars and he failed to make it into bend 2 !!!!! He has come on leaps and bounds and I am sure with the right development can move forward. On Monday he was excellent and shows how far he has progressed. He was fast , aggressive and determined. My kids will be proud to wear his colours on Sun !!! 

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On 8/3/2022 at 2:53 PM, PhilTheAce said:

Just listened to the official podcast. There is a very good bit with rob Godfrey explaining what happened on Monday. It’s worth a listen. 
 

also states that the final will most likely be rerun in September sometime back in Manchester and that’s it’s probably not going to be a Monday. 
 

hopefully Saturday night British final will be back 

Can't disagree with anything he said except he said they were rushing it through 2mins, 2mins, 2mins... this clearly was NOT the case. Eurosport seemed to be calling the shots with zero flexibility in the schedule of the meeting

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On 8/3/2022 at 11:24 AM, archie21 said:

How about a rule change for 2023. To be considered to be selected you must ride for a British Club.   

Controversial yes but it will give the riders who race in the U.K  regular more of a chance to be considered then the riders

who to choose to ride only on the continent and claim not to be asked to ride.

 

 

Totally agree that to be in this event  you  should be riding for a British Club 

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 If you are a British rider you should have an opportunity to ride in the British Final.  The only riders currently riding abroad only are Woffinden , Lambert + Bewley so why punish those ?? Majority of riders in the Final were riding in Britain and that field was stretched with the withdrawal of Barker and Cook the week prior. 

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 7:29 PM, wealdstone said:

Totally agree that to be in this event  you  should be riding for a British Club 

That's what the Rider's Championships are for... British Championship is a national Championship and should be open to any rider with UK nationality imo

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On 8/12/2022 at 8:37 AM, iainb said:

That's what the Rider's Championships are for... British Championship is a national Championship and should be open to any rider with UK nationality imo

It's laughable tht ppl think u should be riding in Britain to ride in national championships. Bring the best of brits in if any1 beats them good on them

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If people want foreigners who ride for British Clubs to be eligible to ride, we will have to rename the meeting as The British Open Championship. Or perhaps we should just call it the Premier League Riders Championship

The British Final is to find the national champion i.e. British

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On 8/5/2022 at 11:59 PM, Hackett said:

The development of Brennan has been excellent. I saw him race his first race in Eastbourne kevlars and he failed to make it into bend 2 !!!!! He has come on leaps and bounds and I am sure with the right development can move forward. On Monday he was excellent and shows how far he has progressed. He was fast , aggressive and determined. My kids will be proud to wear his colours on Sun !!! 

Confirmed for Sunday 18th September with Eurosport covering from 3pm.

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