British Final 2022

[Daniel Smith]

With this years winner or runner up (if Bewley bothers) not getting a slot to the GP, I foresee a lot of withdrawals at it being a field of mainly National Development League rider's for the rerun, mainly Belle Vue one's too. 

It will be a farce 

[IainB]

2 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

The farting about while it poured last night was typical BSPL and unacceptable for the poor buggers there watching, but they eventually came to the least unsatisfactory decision.

How many times were they in and out of that media room? Can somebody clip it up and put it to the Benny Hill music?

[IainB]

52 minutes ago, secsy1 said:

So, allegedly it was a FIM decision for Adam to progress to the British Final. Cannot argue if that is the case.

But who made the decision to have Jack Smith as first reserve and Harry McGurk as second reserve?

Surely in the grand scheme of promoting fairness and youth it should have been McGurk with either Mulford, Hagon or Ablitt? 

I don't think that was the case, as far as I know it's the home governing body that makes the decision as regards a GP wild card and for the FIM to accept or reject it. That's the way it works for GP's in other countries, that's why you get the likes of Nick Skorja included when the GP's are held in the back of beyond... the UK in the past chose an Australian for a wild card spot, how forward thinking was that? 

[cinderfella]

From the BSPA statement:

BSP Chairman Rob Godfrey said: “There was a procedure in the rulebook by which after Heat 12 a result could be called.

“But after consultation between the riders and the SCB, the riders weren’t particularly happy, so myself and Damien (Bates – vice chairman) intervened and factored in a good solution.

 

So if they can overturn procedures in the rule book the floodgates have just been opened and team managers will now argue that results for league and cup matches cannot be declared if the meeting doesn't go the full distance.

Speedway has become a total joke now run by a shower of imbeciles with their own interests at heart.

Damien Bates should not have been involved in any decisions as Adam Ellis is one of his riders.

[chris4gillian]

Why did this meeting go ahead at all with such a strong possibility of rain?  League meetings are called off a day in advance these days should the weather forecast be so poor.  Why should this meeting be any different?  A re-staging date before Cardiff should've been pencilled in should last nights meeting need to be cancelled or called off for whatever reason.  An absolute school boy error by the 's at top with absolutely no thought for the punters, the guys on the terraces that keep this sport alive.

At least they didn't try to keep racing and common sense prevailed as nobody wants to see any rider get hurt.

Restaging is 100% the correct decision.  BUT, and this is a big but, why wasn't a restaging date before Aug 13th already pencilled into the calendar??

As for Adam Ellis getting the wildcard, whilst it does 'make sense,' it also smacks of yet another decision which had no forethought.

What happens to this years eventual British Champ?  No Cardiff may well mean no turny up on the restaging date.  What's the incentive?  A pretty meaningless trophy, and I say that because Britain's two (arguably) best riders can't be ar$ed to ride in it as they don't think the title is worth anything.

Overall, a meeting that started off brilliantly turned into a farce.  But that's unfortunately British speedway.  We all put up with it, but will we put up with it forever?

 

[Fromafar]

Like people are saying not to have pre- plans in place if this situation  arises is typical of the BSPA. Weather has always been a problem in the sport.

Edited August 2, 2022 by Fromafar

[IainB]

3 minutes ago, chris4gillian said:

Why did this meeting go ahead at all with such a strong possibility of rain?  League meetings are called off a day in advance these days should the weather forecast be so poor.  Why should this meeting be any different?  A re-staging date before Cardiff should've been pencilled in should last nights meeting need to be cancelled or called off for whatever reason.  An absolute school boy error by the 's at top with absolutely no thought for the punters, the guys on the terraces that keep this sport alive.

At least they didn't try to keep racing and common sense prevailed as nobody wants to see any rider get hurt.

Restaging is 100% the correct decision.  BUT, and this is a big but, why wasn't a restaging date before Aug 13th already pencilled into the calendar??

As for Adam Ellis getting the wildcard, whilst it does 'make sense,' it also smacks of yet another decision which had no forethought.

What happens to this years eventual British Champ?  No Cardiff may well mean no turny up on the restaging date.  What's the incentive?  A pretty meaningless trophy, and I say that because Britain's two (arguably) best riders can't be ar$ed to ride in it as they don't think the title is worth anything.

Overall, a meeting that started off brilliantly turned into a farce.  But that's unfortunately British speedway.  We all put up with it, but will we put up with it forever?

 

In a word.... Television.

Speedway has always danced to the tune of Television and while they were getting the big bucks from sky you could argue the case that was the right thing to do. 

But now we're working with these amateurs from Eurosport you could think it's doing more harm than good

[Grachan]

10 minutes ago, chris4gillian said:

Why did this meeting go ahead at all with such a strong possibility of rain?  League meetings are called off a day in advance these days should the weather forecast be so poor.  Why should this meeting be any different?  A re-staging date before Cardiff should've been pencilled in should last nights meeting need to be cancelled or called off for whatever reason.  An absolute school boy error by the 's at top with absolutely no thought for the punters, the guys on the terraces that keep this sport alive.

At least they didn't try to keep racing and common sense prevailed as nobody wants to see any rider get hurt.

Restaging is 100% the correct decision.  BUT, and this is a big but, why wasn't a restaging date before Aug 13th already pencilled into the calendar??

As for Adam Ellis getting the wildcard, whilst it does 'make sense,' it also smacks of yet another decision which had no forethought.

What happens to this years eventual British Champ?  No Cardiff may well mean no turny up on the restaging date.  What's the incentive?  A pretty meaningless trophy, and I say that because Britain's two (arguably) best riders can't be ar$ed to ride in it as they don't think the title is worth anything.

Overall, a meeting that started off brilliantly turned into a farce.  But that's unfortunately British speedway.  We all put up with it, but will we put up with it forever?

 

When the meeting reached heat 12 it was raining but the track was still ok. They knew they couldn't complete it, so I do think they could have a final right after heat 12. Instead they faffed about for too long and that opportunity was lost.

Failing that, I don't think it is too difficult to call the meeting with Brennen as champion considering he had beaten Bewley, whilst Harris had beaten neither of them.

Once there was no result called, then I have no problem with Adam getting the Wild Card as he is still British Champion, but apparently the rules say a result can be called if 12 heats are completed, and, considering there was a ride at Cardiff at stake, I think there could have been a result.

[mc131]

29 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

With this years winner or runner up (if Bewley bothers) not getting a slot to the GP, I foresee a lot of withdrawals at it being a field of mainly National Development League rider's for the rerun, mainly Belle Vue one's too. 

It will be a farce 

Can't see that surely wanting to be British Champion comes 1st? Even lawson said he wasn't overly keen on Cardiff if he was to get it 

[oleoleole]

The biggest complaint from me was the total unpreparedness of the BPSL to have plans B, C & D in place before the meeting started.

Everyone in the stadium knew that rain was due to arrive between 8 & 9pm depending which forecast you favour.

The BPSL should have known exactly what to do as soon as rain stopped play.

Added to that us fans waiting in the rain were the last to find out what was going on. Pathetic !!

 

[AFCB Wildcat]

Has it officially been said that the winner of the rearranged British final will not be wildcard for next year's GP?

As long as they arrange next year's British final for a date after the GP and the winner qualifies for the next one does it matter? 

 

[someone]

54 minutes ago, cinderfella said:

So if they can overturn procedures in the rule book the floodgates have just been opened and team managers will now argue that results for league and cup matches cannot be declared if the meeting doesn't go the full distance.

They never overturned the rule book.

011.1.32 "Match Procedure: Ties in Individual Meetings" says that if count back and head to head "cannot be used the order shall be determined by a ballot"

015.1.3 "British Championship Final: Racing Regulations" says that "The method for deciding the hierarchy will be as per these Regulations. This system will also be used if a meeting is abandoned after the completion of heat 12, and the meeting is not re-staged, the results will stand at the last point when all riders had taken the same number of rides."

The regulations allow restaging the meeting, and that is what they chose to do.  They do not say anything about Cardiff wildcards because that is an FIM issue.

http://www.scbgb.co.uk/regulations

[geoff100]

2 hours ago, secsy1 said:

So, allegedly it was a FIM decision for Adam to progress to the British Final. Cannot argue if that is the case.

But who made the decision to have Jack Smith as first reserve and Harry McGurk as second reserve?

Surely in the grand scheme of promoting fairness and youth it should have been McGurk with either Mulford, Hagon or Ablitt? 

Jack smith showed more willing to race in 1 ht than ellis did in 3!

[Lefty]

1 minute ago, geoff100 said:

Jack smith showed more willing to race in 1 ht than ellis did in 3!

And Smithy wasn't wearing tassels! 

[racers and royals]

I might have missed this previously but as far as the punters go as they saw 12 heats is that it( a full meeting ?)

[topaz325]

9 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

I might have missed this previously but as far as the punters go as they saw 12 heats is that it( a full meeting ?)

£10 discount on the restaging event , according to statement, details to be confirmed.

Edited August 2, 2022 by topaz325

[MattB]

2 hours ago, cinderfella said:

From the BSPA statement:

BSP Chairman Rob Godfrey said: “There was a procedure in the rulebook by which after Heat 12 a result could be called.

“But after consultation between the riders and the SCB, the riders weren’t particularly happy, so myself and Damien (Bates – vice chairman) intervened and factored in a good solution.

 

So if they can overturn procedures in the rule book the floodgates have just been opened and team managers will now argue that results for league and cup matches cannot be declared if the meeting doesn't go the full distance.

Speedway has become a total joke now run by a shower of imbeciles with their own interests at heart.

Damien Bates should not have been involved in any decisions as Adam Ellis is one of his riders.

British Speedway has never been very good at dispelling the theory that its all organised on the back of a fag packet

[Lefty]

What did the proggy cost?

[IainB]

3 minutes ago, Lefty said:

What did the proggy cost?

A fiver I think

[sommelier1]

1 hour ago, oleoleole said:

The biggest complaint from me was the total unpreparedness of the BPSL to have plans B, C & D in place before the meeting started.

Everyone in the stadium knew that rain was due to arrive between 8 & 9pm depending which forecast you favour.

The BPSL should have known exactly what to do as soon as rain stopped play.

Added to that us fans waiting in the rain were the last to find out what was going on. Pathetic !!

 

It was lovely & dry in the Peter Craven suite. G&Ts went down a treat