idanthyrsus Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 This is painful to watch. The team is simply not upto standard. The only thing we (i.e. Newcastle Supporters) have to look forward to is long, wooden and spoon shaped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, ch958 said: lets hope they see the season out, they must be losing £££. I feel for them, its a canny stadium which, if it wasn't operating, people would be clamouring for it to open. TBH its time for the league to pull together and somehow make sure the talent is shared - Poole can't play Glasgow or Leicester every week Trouble is the talent want paid the going rate,which is obvious Newcastle can’t afford.They had 6 months to build aTeam same as the rest of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 I would rather not have a club at all if I had to watch this every week. Any Newcastle fans feel like that now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, ch958 said: lets hope they see the season out, they must be losing £££. I feel for them, its a canny stadium which, if it wasn't operating, people would be clamouring for it to open. TBH its time for the league to pull together and somehow make sure the talent is shared - Poole can't play Glasgow or Leicester every week 29 minutes ago, ScottyJ said: I have no idea how you spread the talent. Only way I think of is reducing the points allowance in the championship teams so some teams only ride with 2 heat leaders which frees one up for other teams. It would encourage more teams to use younger British talent at the tail end. There's only so much you can manufacture, you can't keep propping up bad business. Newcastle have a decent track, decent supporters, but they put together a pretty awful side. Who they employ is up to them, unfortunately only Paul Starke and Matty Wethers you would want in the trenches with you. Wrighty was always going to go well at reserve last year, he's a quality rider at that level, but in the main body, he's never going to return much. BWD was always a desperate signing, Clegg has always been a jumper and refuses to cut that habit out of his game, Complin is putting the effort in, but can't make a start. Jack Smith admitted on air that his entire speedway apprenticeship has been at tracks where no skill is required. What a sensible decision that was. All the teams this year had the same opportunity to sign the same riders. You can't have equality of outcome. Only equality of opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 50 minutes ago, bloom89 said: Everyone knows there isn't really an outside line at Newcastle now so what does Complin do spends 4 laps trying the outside, then Wells left a gap as big as the grand canyon in heat 4, do riders actually watch what is happening between races? Was thinking the same. Complin only rides the outside line, wrong track for him. Wells was naive for a rider of his experience. Waved Howarth through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Home riders look like they’ve never seen the track before. Clegg slowed down and waved Edwards through. Shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotfs Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Pretty much painful to see a team with so much history to be so dreadful the last couple of seasons I'm sure in he who they trusted years ago is probably watching on again on another holiday.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbieblackadder fan club Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Was watching on Bsn but it just embarrassing have turned off now, I have never seen a diamonds team put up as little fight,as it currently stand the lions reserves are paid for something like 18 points to newcastles 1 even the guests are not doing it which you can’t blame them, absolute disgrace and if something is not done you may as well shut the doors as they can’t be making any money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Crowd about to erupt like a volcano going by the Updates. Grant is a disgrace to Speedway. This is all on him for mickey taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Trouble is the talent want paid the going rate,which is obvious Newcastle can’t afford.They had 6 months to build aTeam same as the rest of the league. If there are more heatleaders available than team places those going rates suddenly reduce if a rider wants a team place. Simple economics. Obviously they won't ride to make a loss but will have more realistic terms or sit on the side lines and wait for a better paid opportunity. The top riders will go to the better teams on better terms which is fair but they wouldn't be able to sign three of them when there are only about 12 available across 11 teams. Fair enough if Newcastle then didn't offer sufficient terms they'd deserve the criticism but the question nobody can answer is who else were Newcastle supposed to sign when everyone else was offering better terms for the limited number of heat leaders available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 minute ago, TTT said: Crowd about to erupt like a volcano going by the Updates. Grant is a disgrace to Speedway. This is all on him for mickey taking. Rob Grant has the best of intentions and put his money where his mouth was, unlike most people on here. Unfortunately for Newcastle supporters he saved the club from extinction but doesn't have the knowledge or the skillset in how to run a speedway business 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Just now, enotian said: If there are more heatleaders available than team places those going rates suddenly reduce if a rider wants a team place. Simple economics. Obviously they won't ride to make a loss but will have more realistic terms or sit on the side lines and wait for a better paid opportunity. The top riders will go to the better teams on better terms which is fair but they wouldn't be able to sign three of them when there are only about 12 available across 11 teams. Fair enough if Newcastle then didn't offer sufficient terms they'd deserve the criticism but the question nobody can answer is who else were Newcastle supposed to sign when everyone else was offering better terms for the limited number of heat leaders available. It obvious that Newcastle can’t afford to run Championship level if that is the case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, enotian said: If there are more heatleaders available than team places those going rates suddenly reduce if a rider wants a team place. Simple economics. Obviously they won't ride to make a loss but will have more realistic terms or sit on the side lines and wait for a better paid opportunity. The top riders will go to the better teams on better terms which is fair but they wouldn't be able to sign three of them when there are only about 12 available across 11 teams. Fair enough if Newcastle then didn't offer sufficient terms they'd deserve the criticism but the question nobody can answer is who else were Newcastle supposed to sign when everyone else was offering better terms for the limited number of heat leaders available. Newcastle have offered good terms to many riders, they have not been paying peanuts. They have just chosen monkeys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbieblackadder fan club Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Reading between the lines there would appear to have been options at the end of last season when Rob decided to shut but I think the crowds at the end of the season get the better of him and the income, there are riders out there and you have to pay for them, I read somewhere that we were supposed to have an investment of 50k at the beginning of the season where has that gone or was that just me imagining it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Andy Smith always used to struggle on small tracks, his son looks even worse at this stage. This Newcastle team is even worse than some of the Milton Keynes sides I recall seeing in the late 80s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 The bates have said they wish Leicester could stop winning by so much it's costing them a fortune . And then you look at Newcastle and you have to think Jesus what a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 This is like watching the 2008 mildenhall team. Nowhere near competive. Really feel for the fans. bringing in jack smith is a complete waste of time. Even someone like victor pavlova would make a difference as it would push clegg into a reserve berth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: It obvious that Newcastle can’t afford to run Championship level if that is the case. Whilst I think that is probably true the point is, if the authorities want an evenly matched league or even just want to maintain then number of teams in the league, then they needed to give each of the 11 teams the opportunity to sign competitive teams. By allowing two teams to sign half of the league number 1 heat leaders that was never going to happen. We just don't know how much money Rob Grant was offering heat leaders during the winter but given 2021 it was never going to be anyones first choice. Regardless of the standard of teams it just makes no business sense to have a scarce resource able to dictate terms in the pursuit of 'sporting greatness' or whatever winning the CL gives you. From everyones perspective, apart from the riders, it makes entire sense to manufacture supply over demand as then everyone can benefit from the resulting more realistic terms. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 I've heard the fans have turned on the riders and are booing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 minute ago, enotian said: Whilst I think that is probably true the point is, if the authorities want an evenly matched league or even just want to maintain then number of teams in the league, then they needed to give each of the 11 teams the opportunity to sign competitive teams. By allowing two teams to sign half of the league number 1 heat leaders that was never going to happen. We just don't know how much money Rob Grant was offering heat leaders during the winter but given 2021 it was never going to be anyones first choice. Regardless of the standard of teams it just makes no business sense to have a scarce resource able to dictate terms in the pursuit of 'sporting greatness' or whatever winning the CL gives you. From everyones perspective, apart from the riders, it makes entire sense to manufacture supply over demand as then everyone can benefit from the resulting more realistic terms. Some of us DO know and believe me, Rob Grant has offered more money to League No. 1s than poole are paying any of theirs. This is not about being a cheapskate it's about picking poorly and not being an attractive proposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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