W9 Lion Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, iainb said: Yes, did see that, fortunately i was stood away from the dust, so wasn't too bad for me, you probably got more of it in the pits . It was quite bad in the pits but it was worse on the third bend at Berwick last week. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Fromafar said: There are at least 2 riders from each NDL Teams that should no be riding in that League and be riding in Championship only.IMOu But take those 2 riders out & NL teams will be even weaker, making the gulf to the Champ even bigger & too big a bridge to gap. Look at Ablitt, a NL heat leader who struggles to average above 2.00 in the Champ. Can't see how making NL even easier for him would transfer to performing better in the Champ. I think there's a case for allowing riders the likes of Roynon & Complin's standard to race in the NL. When a rider can beat these guys frequently they know they're ready to step up! Edited June 11, 2022 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, szkocjasid said: But take those 2 riders out & NL teams will be even weaker, making the gulf to the Champ even bigger & too big a bridge to gap. Look at Ablitt, a NL heat leader who struggles to average above 2.00 in the Champ. Can't see how making NL even easier for him would transfer to performing better in the Champ. I think there's a case for allowing riders the likes of Roynon & Complin's standard to race in the NL. When a rider can beat these guys frequently they know they're ready to step up! The blindingly obvious has been the case for the past few years. The Sport can't any longer support 3 tiers. There has to be a realisation and realignment. A top tier of 10 Clubs and a second tier of 10-12 Clubs. The top tier with all available current PL and CL riders up to current second string CL level. A second tier that would be say 1 x current CL heat Leader then rest of CL teams and incorporate NDL. The second tier may need to incorporate something left field like a dedicated youth race until numbers filter through. Build a direct progression Youth to CL to PL (CL becomes developmental) Any Club with track / training time availability e.g no strict curfew to run organised Northern / Southern style junior racing as second half. Time too to build solidity by saying any new / returning team should have to start in second tier to prove their sustainability and that the older "double up PL/PL generation" not allowed to double down any more. It may shorten some careers but the long term gain would outweigh this surely in building a system of progression rather than the current decay and stagnation. Edited June 12, 2022 by HGould tweaked 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 I made the trip up not overly hopeful of getting anything from the league leaders and by the end was gutted. I thought Plymouth rode really well on the whole, the two Ben's being the underperformers for us on the night. Morley just made a few too many mistakes which was a shame as in one heat (12 I think) he was 3rd until the final lap where he made mistake and dropped back. That would've been enough to get us a point. Couple nasty incidents, Harry's looked especially nasty and very pleased everyone walked back to the pits seemingly okay. Some cracking racing, MPT was superb value excluding the final heat, him missing the gate proved entertainment value. Special mention to me goes to Alfie, his away form has been poor all season but last night he rode really well. A good night, good racing and well I'll take the aggregate win 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, torpointfanatic22 said: I made the trip up not overly hopeful of getting anything from the league leaders and by the end was gutted. I thought Plymouth rode really well on the whole, the two Ben's being the underperformers for us on the night. Morley just made a few too many mistakes which was a shame as in one heat (12 I think) he was 3rd until the final lap where he made mistake and dropped back. That would've been enough to get us a point. Couple nasty incidents, Harry's looked especially nasty and very pleased everyone walked back to the pits seemingly okay. Some cracking racing, MPT was superb value excluding the final heat, him missing the gate proved entertainment value. Special mention to me goes to Alfie, his away form has been poor all season but last night he rode really well. A good night, good racing and well I'll take the aggregate win As a home fan I'd say Plymouth were worth a match point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) The 7 point loss won't cost Plymouth in their play-off hunt, but it must be frustrating to come so close to a point & miss out. That's sport for you! Edited June 12, 2022 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Teromaafan said: I can’t remember Kennett ever having a decent meeting at Leicester and he would never have scored what Nicholls did tonight. I seem to remember him putting us out of the Cup in our Championship winning season by winning heat 15 against Nicholls. 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: But take those 2 riders out & NL teams will be even weaker, making the gulf to the Champ even bigger & too big a bridge to gap. Look at Ablitt, a NL heat leader who struggles to average above 2.00 in the Champ. Can't see how making NL even easier for him would transfer to performing better in the Champ. I think there's a case for allowing riders the likes of Roynon & Complin's standard to race in the NL. When a rider can beat these guys frequently they know they're ready to step up! I've just done a rough and ready analysis based on the 1-7's (sometimes 1-6) declared on clubs website's and there are 78.5% of PL riders doubling "down" to CL and 20% of NL riders doubling up to CL... quite frankly, that's ridiculous, in an ideal world there wouldn't be any doubling down, but we don't live in that world but those numbers should be a lot nearer 50% for NL riders in my opinion. In that 20% of NL riders doubling up are riders such as Dan & Joe Thompson and Alfie Bowtell who you would class as established CL riders, maybe there should be 1 space in an NL team available for a senior rider to act as a kind of mentor but no more than that. Cub Connor Coles has yet again been passed by for this afternoons match at Newcastle to ride in the reserve berth in favour of Jason Edwards, performance wise, probably makes sense if you want to maximise every points paying position in the team, for your own clubs rider development makes no sense at all. 20 minutes ago, torpointfanatic22 said: and well I'll take the aggregate win which unfortunately for you counts for nothing Edited June 12, 2022 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 9 hours ago, W9 Lion said: It was quite bad in the pits but it was worse on the third bend at Berwick last week. Berwick dust only gives a light tan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, iainb said: I seem to remember him putting us out of the Cup in our Championship winning season by winning heat 15 against Nicholls. I've just done a rough and ready analysis based on the 1-7's (sometimes 1-6) declared on clubs website's and there are 78.5% of PL riders doubling "down" to CL and 20% of NL riders doubling up to CL... quite frankly, that's ridiculous, in an ideal world there wouldn't be any doubling down, but we don't live in that world but those numbers should be a lot nearer 50% for NL riders in my opinion. In that 20% of NL riders doubling up are riders such as Dan & Joe Thompson and Alfie Bowtell who you would class as established CL riders, maybe there should be 1 space in an NL team available for a senior rider to act as a kind of mentor but no more than that. Cub Connor Coles has yet again been passed by for this afternoons match at Newcastle to ride in the reserve berth in favour of Jason Edwards, performance wise, probably makes sense if you want to maximise every points paying position in the team, for your own clubs rider development makes no sense at all. which unfortunately for you counts for nothing Connor is riding for scunthorpe at Glasgow today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, iainb said: I seem to remember him putting us out of the Cup in our Championship winning season by winning heat 15 against Nicholls. I've just done a rough and ready analysis based on the 1-7's (sometimes 1-6) declared on clubs website's and there are 78.5% of PL riders doubling "down" to CL and 20% of NL riders doubling up to CL... quite frankly, that's ridiculous, in an ideal world there wouldn't be any doubling down, but we don't live in that world but those numbers should be a lot nearer 50% for NL riders in my opinion. In that 20% of NL riders doubling up are riders such as Dan & Joe Thompson and Alfie Bowtell who you would class as established CL riders, maybe there should be 1 space in an NL team available for a senior rider to act as a kind of mentor but no more than that. Cub Connor Coles has yet again been passed by for this afternoons match at Newcastle to ride in the reserve berth in favour of Jason Edwards, performance wise, probably makes sense if you want to maximise every points paying position in the team, for your own clubs rider development makes no sense at all. which unfortunately for you counts for nothing How about those doubling up from CL to PL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, iainb said: I seem to remember him putting us out of the Cup in our Championship winning season by winning heat 15 against Nicholls. I've just done a rough and ready analysis based on the 1-7's (sometimes 1-6) declared on clubs website's and there are 78.5% of PL riders doubling "down" to CL and 20% of NL riders doubling up to CL... quite frankly, that's ridiculous, in an ideal world there wouldn't be any doubling down, but we don't live in that world but those numbers should be a lot nearer 50% for NL riders in my opinion. In that 20% of NL riders doubling up are riders such as Dan & Joe Thompson and Alfie Bowtell who you would class as established CL riders, maybe there should be 1 space in an NL team available for a senior rider to act as a kind of mentor but no more than that. Cub Connor Coles has yet again been passed by for this afternoons match at Newcastle to ride in the reserve berth in favour of Jason Edwards, performance wise, probably makes sense if you want to maximise every points paying position in the team, for your own clubs rider development makes no sense at all. which unfortunately for you counts for nothing Done plenty research to find all those percentages, but didn’t think to check if Connor Coles was riding for his own team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, BTFC LION said: Connor is riding for scunthorpe at Glasgow today. That's fair enough then I suppose Who's asset is he, do you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Done plenty research to find all those percentages, but didn’t think to check if Connor Coles was riding for his own team Typed all of that out and didn't think to get your grammar correct 2 percentages, "rough and ready" Edited June 12, 2022 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Skodaman said: How about those doubling up from CL to PL? Of riders on their way "up" in the sport I'd say: Tom Brennan, Jack Thomas, Josh Pickering, Leon Flint, Drew Kemp, Ryan Douglas and Jordan Palin, although JP has be "rested" by the Panthers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, iainb said: That's fair enough then I suppose Who's asset is he, do you know? I don't know who's asset he is, will ask the question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, Skodaman said: How about those doubling up from CL to PL? When I started watching the sport in the Seventies riders would only double up if someone kicked them in the b*lls! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 56 minutes ago, Normski said: Berwick dust only gives a light tan Good job they dont use the black shale like they did back in the good old days we would on our knees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: When I started watching the sport in the Seventies riders would only double up if someone kicked them in the b*lls! very good Seriously though, I remember... Joe Owen, Ray Bales and Bob Garrard all turning out for Leicester, all prospects in their day at the time they rode for the Lions, so it's not a new thing Edited June 12, 2022 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Plymouth deserved a point last night . They showed alot of teams how to attack the track and you will get results. They will up there challenging for the title based from what I saw last night. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted June 12, 2022 Report Share Posted June 12, 2022 Thank you Scotty that’s nice of you to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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