ch958 Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 350 souls at Birmingham, the second city. If its not possible to get more people in, and double that crowd would still be pretty poor, then costs must be slashed. Its a double whammy, poor income, high outgoings. Is anyone winning in this situation? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 7 hours ago, ch958 said: 350 souls at Birmingham, the second city. If its not possible to get more people in, and double that crowd would still be pretty poor, then costs must be slashed. Its a double whammy, poor income, high outgoings. Is anyone winning in this situation? The riders.... Two jobs and loads of guesting... Kerching.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 On 6/22/2022 at 11:23 AM, ch958 said: in reality, the situation is similar to the 6 team National league of the mid 60s. This resulted in the RAC appointing Lord Shawcross to come up with recommendations to ensure the survival, nothing less, of the sport. Can the RAC be asked to intervene again to independently find a way forward? His (Shawcoss) work lead to the formation of the British League (one big league!!) which prospered, led to a Division 2 which equally prospered and led further to a period of great success internationally and domestically. The problems any such commission would face are quite different to those in the 60's(rapidly diminishing audience and environmental concerns for two) but would at least be independent and dispassionate. The issue is exactly as you describe... The "leadership" isn't either independent or dispassionate.... Even if large companies ever decided to sponsor Speedway, who negotiates? You can only imagine that whoever gets the job will have to shuttle back and too throughout the talks as they get commitment and agreement from others who will have wide and varied different agendas from one to another. .. Ultimately we are at a point that doubling up is pretty much a given ongoing as riders will be used to two jobs' worth of income, with 50 to 60 meetings being what they expect/need, to earn the amount of cash that they see as acceptable. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, mikebv said: The riders.... Two jobs and loads of guesting... Kerching.... The days of the professional rider in British speedway is over, I warned a few years back this was happening offering various ideas at the time to address some of the issues we face on both sides of the fence but I was crucified by certain riders and their fan boys in the sport, until we accept the dire situation we are in the sport is doomed, I don’t claim to have the answers but you don’t need to be a fortune teller to see the dark days ahead, speedway is under pressure from external forces too but it’s main danger comes from within our sport Edited June 26, 2022 by THE DEAN MACHINE 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: The days of the professional rider in British speedway is over, I warned a few years back this was happening offering various ideas at the time to address some of the issues we face on both sides of the fence but I was crucified by certain riders in the sport, until we accept the dire situation we are in the sport is doomed, I don’t claim to have the answers but you don’t need to be a fortune teller to see the dark days ahead, speedway is under pressure from external forces too but it’s main danger comes from within our sport Spot on Death by a thousand self inflicted cuts... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 47 minutes ago, mikebv said: The issue is exactly as you describe... The "leadership" isn't either independent or dispassionate.... Even if large companies ever decided to sponsor Speedway, who negotiates? You can only imagine that whoever gets the job will have to shuttle back and too throughout the talks as they get commitment and agreement from others who will have wide and varied different agendas from one to another. .. Ultimately we are at a point that doubling up is pretty much a given ongoing as riders will be used to two jobs' worth of income, with 50 to 60 meetings being what they expect/need, to earn the amount of cash that they see as acceptable. .. John Berry put his name forward but soon realised that he wouldn't get the support of others within the sport and in a flash withdrew his interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Even if large companies ever decided to sponsor Speedway, who negotiates? You can only imagine that whoever gets the job will have to shuttle back and too throughout the talks as they get commitment and agreement from others who will have wide and varied different agendas from one to another. .. They get a Mr 50% man to do the negotiations for them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 Last night at Sheffield showed the best and the worst of British speedway some decent racing and a close meeting and a couple of crashes to keep those who like that sort of thing entertained ,the rest well it was the very worst, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 43 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Last night at Sheffield showed the best and the worst of British speedway some decent racing and a close meeting and a couple of crashes to keep those who like that sort of thing entertained ,the rest well it was the very worst, Brilliant summary. Doyle''s riding reminded me of why in the 70's I could get a car full to come up from Wolves most Thursdays to see who ever the opposition was. Frank Varey was my first and probably only tractor hero! As for the 'worst side' I'm sadly getting conditioned to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Last night at Sheffield showed the best and the worst of British speedway some decent racing and a close meeting and a couple of crashes to keep those who like that sort of thing entertained ,the rest well it was the very worst, i would generally agree but reading Sheffield's announcement on FB I think we need to cut them some slack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 On 6/26/2022 at 5:16 PM, THE DEAN MACHINE said: The days of the professional rider in British speedway is over, I warned a few years back this was happening offering various ideas at the time to address some of the issues we face on both sides of the fence but I was crucified by certain riders and their fan boys in the sport, until we accept the dire situation we are in the sport is doomed, I don’t claim to have the answers but you don’t need to be a fortune teller to see the dark days ahead, speedway is under pressure from external forces too but it’s main danger comes from within our sport I’m with you on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, ch958 said: i would generally agree but reading Sheffield's announcement on FB I think we need to cut them some slack I think most of the frustration was the lack of information coming from Eurosport to the viewer, surely they could of sent Sam down there with a camera to see what the problem was. Not sure what info was given to the fans in the stadium though. Having read the statement, it does seem like a bit of a freak incident with an Apollo 13 style fix to get the meeting running again. I think most reasonable people can understand things like this can happen and genuinely can't be planned for... I spent an hour trying to get a screw out of the wall the other week, it would not budge, didn't matter what I did, had to drill it out in the end, sometimes the simplest of things just have you stumped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, iainb said: I think most of the frustration was the lack of information coming from Eurosport to the viewer, surely they could of sent Sam down there with a camera to see what the problem was. Good idea but Sam of all people,idont think that we would be none the wiser!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 On 6/17/2022 at 9:44 PM, Fina said: If the lad is into other motorsport he will probably understand guests as Moto GP teams are obliged to find a replacement rider is one of their main riders is injured. The team contract with Moto GP is to compete every round. TBF, it's normally the test rider who'll get the ride as part of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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