W9 Lion Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, screm said: I would be surprised if any club would hand out a guaranteed wage, if Newcastle have then that's a poor bit of business IMO. Why? It makes business sense to have a Number One on a guaranteed fee as it makes budgeting easier. I think the issue is if you have riders on unrealistic guaranteed fees which is a different problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 Paul Starke did crash heavily in his last ride at Ipswich and received medical attention so my guess on this occasion it’s a genuine absence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 15 hours ago, enotian said: not sure but as I understand it the former promotion didn't have a sponsor license either. Just relied on being able to sign EU riders who at that time didn't need permits. That would be correct. Brexit is the bad apple here, not any lack of ambition on the part of the clubs who desperately need to find riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, crescent girl said: That would be correct. Brexit is the bad apple here, not any lack of ambition on the part of the clubs who desperately need to find riders. & It's even harder to attract better riders being a Sunday track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 4 hours ago, W9 Lion said: Why? It makes business sense to have a Number One on a guaranteed fee as it makes budgeting easier. I think the issue is if you have riders on unrealistic guaranteed fees which is a different problem. Going by your logic, and going down the budgeting route, then it would business sense to have the entire team on guaranteed wages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 40 minutes ago, screm said: Going by your logic, and going down the budgeting route, then it would business sense to have the entire team on guaranteed wages. I bet every rider in the PL and CL is on a guaranteed income otherwise they could afford to do it. Just as example James Shanes would be out of pocket after having to purchase two new helmets to continue racing after his helmets got damaged beyond use at Edinburgh on Friday. I imagine he wouldn't have much change out of £400 so without a guaranteed income riders wouldn't be racing I doubt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) most riders just hope they get paid and on time lol no guarantees now Edited May 31, 2022 by mac101 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, cinderfella said: I bet every rider in the PL and CL is on a guaranteed income otherwise they could afford to do it. Just as example James Shanes would be out of pocket after having to purchase two new helmets to continue racing after his helmets got damaged beyond use at Edinburgh on Friday. I imagine he wouldn't have much change out of £400 so without a guaranteed income riders wouldn't be racing I doubt Insurance of rider, insurance of club, personal sponsors, gofundme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 Honestly Might not be the right place to post this but it does appear to be a "Hot Topic" at present Not been to any meetings (anywhere) this season (so no idea) however even though it is difficult bringing in riders the following are not new to the league and will improve the team IMHO. That is if they aren't injured and don't have serious Polish commitments; KKH is in the same team as Tero so maybe he is available to do the UK 2nd tier which I don't think the Pole's recognise as a serious league? (will stand corrected) and the two Swedes both have previous with Newcastle. Just depends on how serious the promotion are to be fair in wanting a change Any Takers Luke Becker 11.58 Norick Blodorn Poss 4.00 or 5.00 Ass (as still an assessed rider in the top league) Victor Palovaara 6.25 Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 Kenneth Hansen 6.74 Smetana and Skorja Ass 5's Drop 1; 6 and 7 for 19.76 points including left-overs Bring in Hansen Palovaara and Lindgren for 19.46 NEWCASTLE 1) Kenneth Hansen 6.74 2) Matthew Wethers 5.52 3) Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 4) Victor Palovaara 6.25 5) Paul Starke 6.27 6) Max Clegg 5.26 7) James Wright 5.06 Current Total 41.56 Remaining Points 0.44 Team Total 42 This pushes both Clegg and Wright back into reserve giving genuine strength in depth The figures need checking out but where there is a will (an all that) there is a way. Potentially a bit more expensive with flights and the like but what do the powers that be do? Keep on ploughing ahead under the current situation? New team manager has been mentioned; paying riders as per contract and without delay may or may not be an issue; get some spirit back in the camp!!! can they or will they just roll on under the current circumstances. As an interested bystander it will be very interesting to see what transpires... Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinderfella Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly Might not be the right place to post this but it does appear to be a "Hot Topic" at present Not been to any meetings (anywhere) this season (so no idea) however even though it is difficult bringing in riders the following are not new to the league and will improve the team IMHO. That is if they aren't injured and don't have serious Polish commitments; KKH is in the same team as Tero so maybe he is available to do the UK 2nd tier which I don't think the Pole's recognise as a serious league? (will stand corrected) and the two Swedes both have previous with Newcastle. Just depends on how serious the promotion are to be fair in wanting a change Any Takers Luke Becker 11.58 Norick Blodorn Poss 4.00 or 5.00 Ass (as still an assessed rider in the top league) Victor Palovaara 6.25 Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 Kenneth Hansen 6.74 Smetana and Skorja Ass 5's Drop 1; 6 and 7 for 19.76 points including left-overs Bring in Hansen Palovaara and Lindgren for 19.46 NEWCASTLE 1) Kenneth Hansen 6.74 2) Matthew Wethers 5.52 3) Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 4) Victor Palovaara 6.25 5) Paul Starke 6.27 6) Max Clegg 5.26 7) James Wright 5.06 Current Total 41.56 Remaining Points 0.44 Team Total 42 This pushes both Clegg and Wright back into reserve giving genuine strength in depth The figures need checking out but where there is a will (an all that) there is a way. Potentially a bit more expensive with flights and the like but what do the powers that be do? Keep on ploughing ahead under the current situation? New team manager has been mentioned; paying riders as per contract and without delay may or may not be an issue; get some spirit back in the camp!!! can they or will they just roll on under the current circumstances. As an interested bystander it will be very interesting to see what transpires... Regards THJ Think Becker and Blodorn are already committed to Sundays elsewhere. Sam Jensen who rode for Glasgow could be another one who is available oe what about Danny Gappmeier who did a job for Berwick? Edited May 31, 2022 by cinderfella 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondboy Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly Might not be the right place to post this but it does appear to be a "Hot Topic" at present Not been to any meetings (anywhere) this season (so no idea) however even though it is difficult bringing in riders the following are not new to the league and will improve the team IMHO. That is if they aren't injured and don't have serious Polish commitments; KKH is in the same team as Tero so maybe he is available to do the UK 2nd tier which I don't think the Pole's recognise as a serious league? (will stand corrected) and the two Swedes both have previous with Newcastle. Just depends on how serious the promotion are to be fair in wanting a change Any Takers Luke Becker 11.58 Norick Blodorn Poss 4.00 or 5.00 Ass (as still an assessed rider in the top league) Victor Palovaara 6.25 Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 Kenneth Hansen 6.74 Smetana and Skorja Ass 5's Drop 1; 6 and 7 for 19.76 points including left-overs Bring in Hansen Palovaara and Lindgren for 19.46 NEWCASTLE 1) Kenneth Hansen 6.74 2) Matthew Wethers 5.52 3) Ludvig Lindgren 6.47 4) Victor Palovaara 6.25 5) Paul Starke 6.27 6) Max Clegg 5.26 7) James Wright 5.06 Current Total 41.56 Remaining Points 0.44 Team Total 42 This pushes both Clegg and Wright back into reserve giving genuine strength in depth The figures need checking out but where there is a will (an all that) there is a way. Potentially a bit more expensive with flights and the like but what do the powers that be do? Keep on ploughing ahead under the current situation? New team manager has been mentioned; paying riders as per contract and without delay may or may not be an issue; get some spirit back in the camp!!! can they or will they just roll on under the current circumstances. As an interested bystander it will be very interesting to see what transpires... Regards THJ Hansen. He rides same Polish team as Tero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Diamondboy said: Hansen. He rides same Polish team as Tero Yes I know and Tero rides over here for feckin Scunny... so if Tero can manage it surely KKH can also do it can he not!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondboy Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Yes I know and Tero rides over here for feckin Scunny... so if Tero can manage it surely KKH can also do it can he not!!! Lol, I do read both threads. It was a joke, more aimed at Ruff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Diamondboy said: Lol, I do read both threads. It was a joke, more aimed at Ruff. lol, but a didn't post it on this thread,,, lol lol lol, but ad bet you knew ad have a look? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondboy Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: lol, but a didn't post it on this thread,,, lol lol lol, but ad bet you knew ad have a look? But John posted the same on both. So fished him as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Diamondboy said: But John posted the same on both. So fished him as well. R I,,, two birds with the same stone? Do you work at Parliament? Edited May 31, 2022 by ruffdiamond 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 20 hours ago, crescent girl said: That would be correct. Brexit is the bad apple here, not any lack of ambition on the part of the clubs who desperately need to find riders. Whilst I agree regarding Brexit and the troubles it has caused, it also must be said that Brexit hardly crept up on everyone and appeared to everyone's surprise. Maybe a bit of forward planning might've been the order of the day for certain clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, screm said: Whilst I agree regarding Brexit and the troubles it has caused, it also must be said that Brexit hardly crept up on everyone and appeared to everyone's surprise. Maybe a bit of forward planning might've been the order of the day for certain clubs. Brexit did creep up.on us... due to pure arrogance... the little Englanders who thought Britain was more important than it was and felt they would not be expected to follow the rules anymore in a rules based society were living in cloud cuckoo land... The forward planning was that everyone was sold the idea that GREAT Britain will be able to do what it wants once we broke from Europe... We are TCN's now as far as Europe is concerned... we lost our empire after the second world war and as much as I was not a fan of the European experiment I knew fully how hard it would be to extricate and untangle ourselves from the project... We are where we are and I'm happy to abide by the vote but we can't keep moaning on about how it was or how it should be... we are in this hole now and just have to make a fist of it... Europe wont be doing us any favours for a long time to come... certainly more than one generation... Just wait until Northern Ireland leave us and Scotland break away... it won't be quite Ukraine but there will be financial blood letting... however on the upside when Scotland do go independent at least there will be 14 more riders available for English clubs... We're doomed a tell ya doomed... Regards THJ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 On 5/30/2022 at 10:00 PM, Diamond geezer said: So that makes sense (I think). The cynical side of me thinks there wasn’t a cat in hells chance any of them riders were ever going to sign anyway, so any attempt to sign them may have been more about PR than anything. If it was a genuine attempt to sign them, then the ££ must have been there to tempt them, so one would assume that would still apply to team building this year. not sure just random foreign riders will improve us, would have to be the right one. Look at Basso for example, and even he isn’t yet a heat leader. Most top riders who fall into heat leader brackets will have already rode here, and so fall into that”protected” category you referred to above - so assume that we have either tried already and/or we don’t want them. here is hoping for good news - Because I dread to think what Leicester and Poole will do to us in next couple of matches. And as for crowds - think a big signing will help draw in the crowds needed for sustainability. That's a sound assumption. To be honest it looks like the Diamonds team has been done on the cheap but in reality only the promoters and riders know if that's the case. Maybe Complin is on heat leader money? Whilst we might suspect everything has been done on the cheap that might not be the case. In reality there are probably other reasons it's been difficult to attract riders other than money. Sundays for a start, maybe the track, maybe the lack of stability around the club but certainly because there's not enough to go around. I agree that the new foreigner market is unlikely to solve the problems. You're effectively shopping at the not good enough to ride in Poland shop. So you'd do well to bring in anyone who'll be able to score much more than the assessed 5.00 or 4.00. Having said that they can't do any worse than the current reserves so if a couple of new riders average 4 or 5 and the guest for BWD is capable of scoring in heat 15 and 16 and the other 4 do their jobs that would be enough to win some matches. But not home to Leicester and Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 9 hours ago, screm said: Whilst I agree regarding Brexit and the troubles it has caused, it also must be said that Brexit hardly crept up on everyone and appeared to everyone's surprise. Maybe a bit of forward planning might've been the order of the day for certain clubs. that's fair but as a new promoter I don't think there was anything Rob Grant could have done to get that sponsors licence any earlier. Unsure when he effectively became promoter? 2020 or 2021? Maybe a ball was dropped but as a Sunday track I don't think having access to sign foreign riders would make much different. Even young Aussies head to Poland now rather than learning their trade in the UK. what did happen to ease the problem was rising stars. whether you liked it or not it did create opportunities for more UK riders. Take Jordan Jenkins as an example he'd been knocking about for 3 or 4 years as a young prospect but was never able to hold down a team place for whatever reason. He and others, are now reaping the benefit from having an extended run in the CL. Now he might never become even a CL heat leader but he's developed into a CL standard rider capable of beating heat leaders on his day. I think the majority kept their places or got a team place elsewhere so it worked on that basis but then the pipeline has been closed with teams unsurprisingly reluctant to give the next level of youngsters an opportunity when opponents are not obliged to. So an opportunity to introduce another group of riders into the rider pool was lost in a pool that wasn't big enough in the first place. So what forward planning was put in place was then abandoned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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