LisaColette Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, HGould said: When Plymouth or any CL Friday team for that matter can often have half or more if their team riding PL the night before, its probably wise to do their main PR once all riders have reported in fit. Fans should also remember that most clubs are run by people who have a day job and press officers the same and often volunteers. Not all Clubs are run by chateau owners. Poole's preview was up on Sunday! But most clubs I've noticed is the day before the meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Gazc said: Fair play to Bomber shows how well he is riding and always gives his all. This is why he is such a popular choice to guest don’t see a problem with it. Nothing personal on Bomber as like you say gives his all,but is it helping his own Team when helping winning matches for their challengers for play off places.I personally don’t care as results mean nothing to me nowadays,a decent match means more.The sport is still in a mess with no sign of it being credible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Gazc said: Fair play to Bomber shows how well he is riding and always gives his all. This is why he is such a popular choice to guest don’t see a problem with it. Yep it's not Bomber himself that's the problem it's the system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 36 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Yep it's not Bomber himself that's the problem it's the system. You pretty much always get your money's worth with Bomber, so the more he is in action, the more the entertainment value.. However, in a broader context.. It does render the competitions somewhat "Mickey Mouse", which must be extremely hard to sell to a wider fan base, sponsors, and media... Since Rory retired, and Scott seems to have reduced his activity to focus on his media career (within which he is doing a great job for me), it has left only Bomber from the regular go to "Three Guestketeers" of the past few seasons.. Meaning that out of the three, only "Harramis" is left... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fina Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 29 minutes ago, mikebv said: You pretty much always get your money's worth with Bomber, so the more he is in action, the more the entertainment value.. However, in a broader context.. It does render the competitions somewhat "Mickey Mouse", which must be extremely hard to sell to a wider fan base, sponsors, and media... Since Rory retired, and Scott seems to have reduced his activity to focus on his media career (within which he is doing a great job for me), it has left only Bomber from the regular go to "Three Guestketeers" of the past few seasons.. Meaning that out of the three, only "Harramis" is left... Another thing that is hard to sell to a wider fan base, sponsors etc is the lack of any promotion / relegation between championship and premiership. Been asked about that a few times and I cant give a good explanation on why a club seems to be able to choose to stay down a level. If it better for the club to stay in the championship for number of fixtures and income, cant blame them for doing that, but, along with riders doubling up it does make the idea of having two tiers of senior level speedway a bit of a farce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fina said: Another thing that is hard to sell to a wider fan base, sponsors etc is the lack of any promotion / relegation between championship and premiership. Been asked about that a few times and I cant give a good explanation on why a club seems to be able to choose to stay down a level. If it better for the club to stay in the championship for number of fixtures and income, cant blame them for doing that, but, along with riders doubling up it does make the idea of having two tiers of senior level speedway a bit of a farce It isnt really two tiers though is it? More like 1.25..... The glaring issue (continually unresolved) is that if you want to run without relegation and promotion (like some other sports do so its not unique), then you need to ensure every team is competitive, and that they only compete in the league which suits there true level.... Otherwise it becomes brand damaging.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 46 minutes ago, mikebv said: You pretty much always get your money's worth with Bomber, so the more he is in action, the more the entertainment value.. However, in a broader context.. It does render the competitions somewhat "Mickey Mouse", which must be extremely hard to sell to a wider fan base, sponsors, and media... Since Rory retired, and Scott seems to have reduced his activity to focus on his media career (within which he is doing a great job for me), it has left only Bomber from the regular go to "Three Guestketeers" of the past few seasons.. Meaning that out of the three, only "Harramis" is left... Steve Worrall used to be another member of the guest merry go round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, KEITH M said: Steve Worrall used to be another member of the guest merry go round Barker also prone to the odd guest appearance as was Doolan when he was riding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fina Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, mikebv said: It isnt really two tiers though is it? More like 1.25..... The glaring issue (continually unresolved) is that if you want to run without relegation and promotion (like some other sports do so its not unique), then you need to ensure every team is competitive, and that they only compete in the league which suits there true level.... Otherwise it becomes brand damaging.. 1.25 tiers about sums it up. I came back to watching speedway mid way through last season after a few years break, and previous to that only got to watch occasional matches on visits back home as I was based outside of the UK. This is the first time I have really tried to understand the rules and structure of the sport, or assess it from a sponsorship perspective. There are a lot of things that don't really make sense to me and make it a hard sell to anyone who does not have that hook in of remembering really enjoying watching speedway in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Fina said: 1.25 tiers about sums it up. I came back to watching speedway mid way through last season after a few years break, and previous to that only got to watch occasional matches on visits back home as I was based outside of the UK. This is the first time I have really tried to understand the rules and structure of the sport, or assess it from a sponsorship perspective. There are a lot of things that don't really make sense to me and make it a hard sell to anyone who does not have that hook in of remembering really enjoying watching speedway in the past. Indeed... There is a reason Poland don't follow the operating model of UK Speedway... And that is they would lose all credibility, and with it, the fans, the major TV and other media coverage, and (critically), the big ticket sponsors.. The UK could very easily run a similar operating model "Poland Lite", (like Sweden and Denmark do), but steadfastly seem to refuse to do so.. A few teams trying to win the 2nd Division, using Division One Heat Leaders, is obviously more important than the sport itself becoming popular it would appear... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: Indeed... There is a reason Poland don't follow the operating model of UK Speedway... And that is they would lose all credibility, and with it, the fans, the major TV and other media coverage, and (critically), the big ticket sponsors.. The UK could very easily run a similar operating model "Poland Lite", (like Sweden and Denmark do), but steadfastly seem to refuse to do so.. A few teams trying to win the 2nd Division, using Division One Heat Leaders, is obviously more important than the sport itself becoming popular it would appear... Not without someone with very deep pockets getting involved and risking 99% of it going down the toilet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, wtf said: Not without someone with very deep pockets getting involved and risking 99% of it going down the toilet. Cut your cloth accordingly then... Have clear demarcation within the leagues... And run at the level your pockets dictate, not your ego... Bottom line is... You will never grow the sport using the current free for all of using whoever you want, whenever you want, and competing at a level you personally decide to compete at, rather than one your actual performances and infrastructure dictates... It won't ever change though given so many different agendas are involved.. Therefore, best not to take it seriously and enjoy, what still can be, a cracking night out... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 hours ago, mikebv said: Cut your cloth accordingly then... Have clear demarcation within the leagues... And run at the level your pockets dictate, not your ego... Bottom line is... You will never grow the sport using the current free for all of using whoever you want, whenever you want, and competing at a level you personally decide to compete at, rather than one your actual performances and infrastructure dictates... It won't ever change though given so many different agendas are involved.. Therefore, best not to take it seriously and enjoy, what still can be, a cracking night out... You continually miss the point that is the 2nd tier hasn’t gotten stronger the top tier has gotten weaker Why should 2nd tier clubs/fans suffer for this, your way of thinking would be a constant race to the bottom with clubs that have no ambition dictating to those that do. I will not disagree for 1 second that the British league structure works in its current form but for me the blame on that lies purely at the top table and they should be the ones making the changes and taking the risks. Watering down the second tier to make the top tier look stronger achieves nothing on that front. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwayPortal Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 Hi guys, just a reminder for those that are unable to make it to the Coliseum tonight, the meeting is being streamed live on Gladiators TV via the link below. The cost is £11.99 and the broadcast begins at approx. 6:45pm https://www.gladiatorslive.com Enjoy!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 43 minutes ago, gmuncie said: You continually miss the point that is the 2nd tier hasn’t gotten stronger the top tier has gotten weaker Why should 2nd tier clubs/fans suffer for this, your way of thinking would be a constant race to the bottom with clubs that have no ambition dictating to those that do. I will not disagree for 1 second that the British league structure works in its current form but for me the blame on that lies purely at the top table and they should be the ones making the changes and taking the risks. Watering down the second tier to make the top tier look stronger achieves nothing on that front. Ambition to win something hardly anyone bothers about? And that is the top division never mind the 2nd tier... And should the top tier ever "take the risks" and bring top level riders over then lads who need to double up/down will get replaced by these riders thus meaning they wont earn enough to keep going.. That will hardly help Div 2.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, mikebv said: Ambition to win something hardly anyone bothers about? And that is the top division never mind the 2nd tier... And should the top tier ever "take the risks" and bring top level riders over then lads who need to double up/down will get replaced by these riders thus meaning they wont earn enough to keep going.. That will hardly help Div 2.... One minute you talk about clubs 'cutting their cloth accordingly' and then clubs 'taking the risk' and bringing top level riders over?! Yet if a couple of clubs are financially sound enough to employ 'top' riders but the others in that league aren't then how does that solve any of speedway's problems. You also compare British Speedway unfavourably with Sweden and Denmark as if they have no problems at all - wrong!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 What a cracking idea getting the opposition to pay Ben Trigger for getting track time on his own track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 Could this be the end of Harris's guesting exploits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 Cracking point in the end especially with a few under performers and no offence to young trigger would of liked to of thought there would’ve been a better options for a guest. not the greatest meeting to watch don’t think there was a single pass made after the 2nd bend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 Well that was an entertaining match, well done all the riders and the stream was excellent, thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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