GeneralMelchett Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, Col said: Firstly congratulations to Sheffield Tigers on a superb team performance, if anyone didn’t rank the Tigers as favorites before tonight, they surely must now and they did so without their top two being particularly impressive - Ellis conceding the only 1-5 of the night & Holder was passed superbly by Fricke in heat 13. After a poor first ride Musielak was easily quickest rider on show, typical gate & gone Pole, because when he didn’t gate in his opening ride he was nowhere, thereafter he was untouchable and I’m convinced he will make a mockery of his 6.2 starting average. Suspect many will regard him as the signing of the season when trophies are dished out. Howarth, Mountain & Nielsen all did more than you’d expect. The only place to start with the Aces performance is Fricke, how can someone who wins the Warsaw GP concede 5-1’s in his opening two rides in this company? At least personal pride saw him improve but 1 heat win is not enough from a number 1. Next up could be the other participant in those Tigers 5-1 which put the Aces 8 points behind, but no that can wait. The enigma that is Brady Kurtz is next for criticism. Just as it looked like the visitors might get back into the meeting following the only 5-1, Zagar comes in as a TS after winning heat replacing Blodorn, partnering Kurtz. After an eternity of leaving his bike idling at the tapes the start-marshall has to point out his chain has come off. One good ride when he lowered the colours of Cook & Holder. I’ve criticized the two Aces Aussies first because as captain & #1 they set a shoddy example, but next up is Brennan, Harsh maybe as he is a rising star but he was as anonymous as Fricke in those two 5-1’s. He made the gate a few times, yet left the other riders the freedom of Owlertons quick wide outside on the first turns. Most notably Howarth in rerun of heat 14, when Brennan decided it would be more useful to clamp Wright to the white line! It is Blodorn’s second visit to Owlerton, but it is widely regarded that Sheffield have the weakest reserve pairing in the league (that's what happens when you sign such a good top 5). 1 point. Most 4 point Brits would have done more The engine room…. I’m pretty sure Zagar gave up after heat 9, Kurtz chain came off, when he’d agreed to a TS off gate 4. Outsmarted Howarth that heat, then succumbed to a similar move when Nielsen passed him a few heats later. Wright is the only BV rider that might be satisfied with his performance. Might, definitely not should Pretty fair summary that - my first meeting at Owlerton for a few years now - Fricke was the same at Ipswich the other week ran two lasts in his first two rides then improved. Tigers looked good no real weak links - they also from what I could see where prepared to take a risk or two at the first bend and either ride it wide or go for a blocking move, it seemed to me on more than one occasion Fricke had the chance to go outside at the first bend someone part blocked him and he seeemd to not follow it through. I hoped for a bit more passing too, by my reckoning only about 3-4 genuine after the first bend passes - still it was good to be back and the crowd seemed well up on my last visit which was Tigers V Newcastle in 2015 (I think)! Edited May 27, 2022 by General Melchitt spelling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 My concern for Belle Vue is that too many times Fricke in particular goes missing in the first part of meetings. Sure he gets going in the later stages and his scores over the whole night don't look too bad, but by then, often the meeting is lost. Your #1 sets the tone for the meeting. in 3:4 home meetings Belle Vue have conceded a 5:1 in heat one. He needs to be more competitive in Heat 1. That would be a concern. Brady goes missing on occasion too. Can be very inconsistent. Wright does seem to be the only one who even if he doesn't have speed or the perfect set up will actually fight and not give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 On 5/25/2022 at 7:55 PM, TTT said: Belle Vue look like the real deal to me now. Do they still look like the real deal? looks more like a dud deal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, 4thbender said: Do they still look like the real deal? looks more like a dud deal to me. Not anymore they don't. I've way overrated them tbh. HL's have been a huge let down. Fricke has been very poor for a GP rider, Kurtz has been very inconsistent and Zagar would be a perfect fit for our Dad's Army side going by his performances in the engine room this season. Charles Wright has been good though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 16 hours ago, Col said: Firstly congratulations to Sheffield Tigers on a superb team performance, if anyone didn’t rank the Tigers as favorites before tonight, they surely must now and they did so without their top two being particularly impressive - Ellis conceding the only 1-5 of the night & Holder was passed superbly by Fricke in heat 13. After a poor first ride Musielak was easily quickest rider on show, typical gate & gone Pole, because when he didn’t gate in his opening ride he was nowhere, thereafter he was untouchable and I’m convinced he will make a mockery of his 6.2 starting average. Suspect many will regard him as the signing of the season when trophies are dished out. Howarth, Mountain & Nielsen all did more than you’d expect. In your critique of the Tigers' performance you completely omitted to mention the performance of Cook. This was by far and away his best performance in blue and yellow and his 8 +3 after 4 heats made him top scorer. He was fully deserving of his extra ride in heat 15. He seems to actually be enjoying his stint at Sheffield and even acknowledged the crowd's cheers on the 4th bend after his win in heat 8. Top points for sheer guts go - as usual - to Kyle. I reckon he's the best captain in the league. He may lack the finesse of a Holder and the panache of a Musielak, but for 150% commitment to the team cause he can't be faulted. He's the engine room of the team and Damien should give him a contract for life. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Spiderman1 said: Should of kept Allen,foolish Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. Edited May 27, 2022 by The Third Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. That’s astonishing and why speedway is in the financial mess it is in. How can paying this level of money be sustainable. Plus he’ll probably have his airfares and hotels paid on top all for 4/5 minutes work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Speedtiger said: That’s astonishing and why speedway is in the financial mess it is in. How can paying this level of money be sustainable. Plus he’ll probably have his airfares and hotels paid on top all for 4/5 minutes work. i was told they have a sponser who is paying half, as i said just told it by a BV fan, don't know if its true, but they were desperate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 14 hours ago, The Third Man said: Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. Sounds completely OTT. Bt even if we assume it's half that then 19 minutes ago, The Third Man said: i was told they have a sponser who is paying half, as i said just told it by a BV fan, don't know if its true, but they were desperate £400 x 10 pts per meeting (from 5 rides should be achievable for a rider of Matej's calibre) x 20 meetings (ignoring Summer doodah and play-offs) x 50%: gives: £40,000 That would be one he'll of a sponsorship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BV66 Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 The same discussion took place on the forum last time Zagar was at Belle Vue. The question is is he value for money, and in my opinion a definite NO. This Belle Vue team must be one of the most expensive they have had in recent years, and looking at their current form the management are not going to get any reward out of it. Early days, but I have my doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 16 hours ago, The Third Man said: Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. Yeah Allen scoring 0 there last time made us so much better. so a fan told you that and you believed them lol! Do you believe everything someone tells you? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 20 hours ago, wtf said: My concern for Belle Vue is that too many times Fricke in particular goes missing in the first part of meetings. Sure he gets going in the later stages and his scores over the whole night don't look too bad, but by then, often the meeting is lost. Your #1 sets the tone for the meeting. in 3:4 home meetings Belle Vue have conceded a 5:1 in heat one. He needs to be more competitive in Heat 1. That would be a concern. Brady goes missing on occasion too. Can be very inconsistent. Wright does seem to be the only one who even if he doesn't have speed or the perfect set up will actually fight and not give up. Fricke has been poor this year in Poland and Sweden too but then suddenly pulled out that outstanding SGP win in Warsaw from no where. I’m not concerned at the moment, we know what he can do and sure he will perform at business end of the season. 18 hours ago, 4thbender said: Do they still look like the real deal? looks more like a dud deal to me. 17 hours ago, TTT said: Not anymore they don't. I've way overrated them tbh. HL's have been a huge let down. Fricke has been very poor for a GP rider, Kurtz has been very inconsistent and Zagar would be a perfect fit for our Dad's Army side going by his performances in the engine room this season. Charles Wright has been good though. Couple wins you saying going to win the league, now after a defeat at Sheffield saying overrated lol. Was you saying that about Sheffield last week when they lost to Wolves. Nothing is won in May, only need to finish in top 4 then it all starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rob B said: Fricke has been poor this year in Poland and Sweden too but then suddenly pulled out that outstanding SGP win in Warsaw from no where. I’m not concerned at the moment, we know what he can do and sure he will perform at business end of the season. Couple wins you saying going to win the league, now after a defeat at Sheffield saying overrated lol. Was you saying that about Sheffield last week when they lost to Wolves. Nothing is won in May, only need to finish in top 4 then it all starts. I wondered where you got to after Thursday night's battering. You normally pipe up within seconds. That battering really must have hit you for six or in Belle Vue's case 18. With the line-up Belle Vue have got they really should be walking this league. Not my fault if your club continue to be serial underachievers is it Mr. Beck? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Sounds completely OTT. Bt even if we assume it's half that then £400 x 10 pts per meeting (from 5 rides should be achievable for a rider of Matej's calibre) x 20 meetings (ignoring Summer doodah and play-offs) x 50%: gives: £40,000 That would be one he'll of a sponsorship No i was told he is on £4000 per meeting, which is why i said he was on £800 per point on Thursday Edited May 28, 2022 by The Third Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, TTT said: I wondered where you got to after Thursday night's battering. You normally pipe up within seconds. That battering really must have hit you for six or in Belle Vue's case 18. With the line-up Belle Vue have got they really should be walking this league. Not my fault if your club continue to be serial underachievers is it Mr. Beck? Walking the league? We are continually been told it's the closest one ever and everyone is level and anyone can win it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, The Third Man said: Scored more with Allen in the team And if the BV supporter i was talking to last night is correct Zagar was about £800 a point last night, not including bonus points. If that supporter is anywhere near correct, then Zagar and Fricke being a GP rider won't be cheap either, would almost take BV's gate money i would of thought. If both scored say 10 from 5, home and away one week. Thats 20 x£800 for Zagar and if Max is on £250 a pop x20. Even if Zagar is sponsored half of that it's still £8k and £5k out of one home meetings takings . Edit.... Just seen the Third Mans post.. But still very good money, £4k a meeting for a 6-7 point rider.. Edited May 28, 2022 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 Just now, lisa-colette said: Walking the league? We are continually been told it's the closest one ever and everyone is level and anyone can win it! On paper Belle Vue are clear imo. But like JTS said the other day Speedway isn't ridden on paper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 34 minutes ago, The Third Man said: No i was told he is on £4000 per meeting, which is why i said he was on £800 per point on Thursday Think it was £3k last time he was here.. With, again, a big wedge of it getting paid by sponsorship.. Bottom line is, if it is affordable then why not do it? Even if the figures are correct which they may very well be/not be* * Delete as applicable... Crowds seem "quite good" from the two league matches I have been to this season, and the PCM was a "proper bumper one"... 1500/1700 or so paying £20 (ish), on average, isn't too bad a return I would think even after VAT paid.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: No i was told he is on £4000 per meeting, which is why i said he was on £800 per point on Thursday Which is exactly the figure I took! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted May 28, 2022 Report Share Posted May 28, 2022 You’re all debating pay based on someone reporting what one ‘fan’ told him lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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