Edinburgh - new home required….

[Mr Blobby]

What part of the club made the fans aware that it wasn’t in the bag and we didn’t have the land and we had just put a bid in for it are people are struggling to grasp.

[tyretrax]

5 hours ago, Jaizer said:

Shawfields still there technically. Well was last time I was at the dugs which admittedly was some years ago 

Shawfield still there but not in use.

[Noelinho]

49 minutes ago, tyretrax said:

Shawfield still there but not in use.

Looking purely at financials, wouldn’t Ashfield make more sense? The track is already there, it’s equipped, and therefore there’s a certain amount of sunk costs already invested in the Tigers.

Of course it relies on agreement - maybe Tigers’/Monarchs’ management have reasons not to make an arrangement (concern over Edinburgh supporters coming to the Glasgow track, maybe concern over the Glasgow track getting too much racing!) , but if both were options, surely Shawfield would cost more.

[King Jamie]

12 hours ago, Fenway Bleachers said:

Once bitten, twice shy..

Not sure the Monarchs would go West again given current financial plight, given the past “ experiment”

What day would they run? Fridays spoken for. How many would travel? Some Monarchs fans have not returned to Ashfield since 2015, would that change? 
With uncertainty , riders liable to look elsewhere for security in 2023, than risk losing out on getting fixed up. 
Would all sponsors stay loyal? 
Maybe a year or 2 out is inevitable. 
 

 i can see where you're coming from, especially in relation to race night and rider security.

If Monarchs don't run in 2023, they'll lose their Friday evening seniority and face hosting a number of home meetings on 'off nights' if / when they return.

And obviously a ground share at Ashfield would mean a move from Friday in any case, hence why it won't be top of the any potential 'choice' list.

[ruckerroo]

Is 2023 at armadale officially a million ?

[Noelinho]

To be fair, we've discovered Glasgow and Edinburgh could rotate Friday nights and aside from the odd rain-off, still fit their fixtures in before others are ready for the playoffs!

You could guarantee Friday night speedway every week and I reckon you'd only need a couple of extra Sunday fixtures. Especially if away fixtures were coordinated well - I know that's asking a lot for the league, but it can be done.

[Fromafar]

11 hours ago, Noelinho said:

Looking purely at financials, wouldn’t Ashfield make more sense? The track is already there, it’s equipped, and therefore there’s a certain amount of sunk costs already invested in the Tigers.

Of course it relies on agreement - maybe Tigers’/Monarchs’ management have reasons not to make an arrangement (concern over Edinburgh supporters coming to the Glasgow track, maybe concern over the Glasgow track getting too much racing!) , but if both were options, surely Shawfield would cost more.

Really can’t see Edinburgh moving to Glasgow.

[Noelinho]

1 minute ago, Fromafar said:

Really can’t see Edinburgh moving to Glasgow.

I agree, I'm just comparing the options. I think a break is inevitable.

[Fromafar]

1 minute ago, Noelinho said:

I agree, I'm just comparing the options. I think a break is inevitable.

Only real option would be another season at Armadale.Don’t think will happen though(  could be wrong)

 

[heathen52]

Im sorry for Edinburgh fans that they have lost out in there bid for the land, however Councils tend to have many faces depending on who they are speaking to.

Let me give an example down here in the West Midlands or to be more precise Cradley Heathens the 2 local Councils nearest to our former home Sandwell MBC and Dudley MBC, Lion Farm Playing Fields comes under Sandwell MBC and is one of the many HM The Queens Diamond Jubilee Fields given protected status of in perpetuity, however Sandwell MBC have given a developer an option to build a shopping outlet on this site, therefore they are prepared to overturn the "In perpetuity status" given to the Fields, now lets move to Dudley MBC a site was recently identified as possibly being suitable and only roughly a mile or so from the old Dudley Wood site, the Council leaders response to this site was as follows. 

For information this site is a Field in Trust site and was dedicated as a Queen Elizabeth II Park as part of the Queens Diamond Jubilee. 

Therefore, this site would not be supported.

However, I am happy to meet again if other sites are available.

 

So we have 1 Council (Sandwell MBC)that will happily overturn an in perpetuity protection notice but the neighbouring Council (Dudley MBC)who use the same protection to prevent Speedway returning.

 

I can only wish Edinburgh Speedway all the best in there search for suitable land.

[TheScotsman]

31 minutes ago, ruckerroo said:

Is 2023 at armadale officially a million ?

Who said it is?

Is it not more likely to be the cost of buying the site?

[ruckerroo]

8 minutes ago, TheScotsman said:

Who said it is?

Is it not more likely to be the cost of buying the site?

you misconstrue my question, im asking is it possible to use it next season

[TheScotsman]

34 minutes ago, ruckerroo said:

you misconstrue my question, im asking is it possible to use it next season

I assume discussions have probably started re the use of Armadale for a bit longer as part of the statement on Edinburgh's website "Further talks are currently taking place to establish all possible options forward."

I may have misconstrued your question but you mentioned a million for 2023 at Armadale.

[Nickinho]

I wonder if a few Livingston councillors got a large brown envelope from the winning application...  

 

[SlicktrackSandy]

15 minutes ago, Nickinho said:

I wonder if a few Livingston councillors got a large brown envelope from the winning application...  

 

We now have to move on from all that and not lose sight of our main priority of continuing to keep the sport alive in this ( or other ) area.  

 

[Sir Sidney]

On 9/7/2022 at 7:06 PM, Mr Blobby said:

The bid isn’t about who bid the most. There’s a point scoring system as well for things like what it’s for what it does for the community etc. which then gets transferred into cash. But of course it’s not real money. 
 

very short sighted view by powers at be imo.

Is there a link on the Council website to the relevant meeting at which this was decided, including papers and the decision please? 

 

I've looked but can't find it

 

Thanks

 

Edited : This looks like the link West Lothian Council Committee Information - Meetings

 

Edited September 8, 2022 by Sir Sidney

[mac101]

7 hours ago, ruckerroo said:

you misconstrue my question, im asking is it possible to use it next season

from what i hear they have burn the bridges with the Armadale owners 

[tyretrax]

20 hours ago, Noelinho said:

Looking purely at financials, wouldn’t Ashfield make more sense? The track is already there, it’s equipped, and therefore there’s a certain amount of sunk costs already invested in the Tigers.

Of course it relies on agreement - maybe Tigers’/Monarchs’ management have reasons not to make an arrangement (concern over Edinburgh supporters coming to the Glasgow track, maybe concern over the Glasgow track getting too much racing!) , but if both were options, surely Shawfield would cost more.

Doubt if you would get a safety certificate without about sixty/seventy grand being spent.

[Nickinho]

20 hours ago, Sir Sidney said:

Is there a link on the Council website to the relevant meeting at which this was decided, including papers and the decision please? 

 

I've looked but can't find it

 

Thanks

 

Edited : This looks like the link West Lothian Council Committee Information - Meetings

 

All you need to read is "£400,000"

[Nickinho]

Well, i was all set to travel to Armadale today to finally see some speedway and then it's cancelled. Terrific. I didn't realise the Queen was a big speedway fan.

Edited September 9, 2022 by Nickinho