Ipswich v Wolves 26th May

[bigcatdiary]

1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said:

League fixtures. Doesn't say anything about the regional starter competition, and the BSPA/L must have decided the window only applied to League racing. The League hadn't started when the changes were made.

I think most people have agreed it's 25% of League fixtures, i.e. when 15 have been completed - which (assuming no postponements) is currently on Thursday, 2 June ... so 2 changes can be made after that, initially using the June Green Sheets.

I guess that if a team makes a change to replace three riders, you'll say that's more than two 

It reads until 25% of league fixtures are completed, and they haven’t been to date. Whether you, Uncle Tom cobbly or your mate from the pub agrees or not.

All this cobblers about Regional starter competition and the BSPL must have decided is just that - cobblers.

I am well aware that this change was allowed under 10.3.1, Board directors sole responsibility, best interests of the sport etc.

Certainly was in the best interests of Belle Vue and following on from that decision Ipswich as well.

 

Edited May 27, 2022 by bigcatdiary

[Roger Jacobs]

26 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said:

It reads until 25% of league fixtures are completed, and they haven’t been to date. Whether you, Uncle Tom cobbly or your mate from the pub agrees or not.

All this cobblers about Regional starter competition and the BSPL must have decided is just that - cobblers.

I am well aware that this change was allowed under 10.3.1, Board directors sole responsibility, best interests of the sport etc.

Certainly was in the best interests of Belle Vue and following on from that decision Ipswich as well.

 

Either way, the Regulations have been cobbled together, and the new "window" Regulation is unnecessarily vague, unhelpful, and - to be frank - totally useless.

I'm happy to keep stretching it, if only to keep winding you up, seeing as it seems to mean so much to you.

[Siggytastic]

So is it 25% of a teams fixtures or 25% of overall fixtures?

[Roger Jacobs]

57 minutes ago, Siggytastic said:

So is it 25% of a teams fixtures or 25% of overall fixtures?

Exactly.

[bigcatdiary]

2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

Either way, the Regulations have been cobbled together, and the new "window" Regulation is unnecessarily vague, unhelpful, and - to be frank - totally useless.

I'm happy to keep stretching it, if only to keep winding you up, seeing as it seems to mean so much to you.

I don’t like cheating, it’s probably one of the reasons the sport is dying on its arse

Glad it cheers you up, I think it’s commendable your still in good spirits considering your a Witches supporter, let’s be honest you haven’t had much else to celebrate have you.

[JamesB]

6 hours ago, bigcatdiary said:

What the speedway regulations don’t say is irrelevant.

 The regulations says

A Premiership Transfer Window opens after 25% of the League fixtures are complete and closes when 75% of League fixtures are complete. This permits changes to the team on 2 occasions, except for proven long term injury.

Now considering no Premiership team is likely to complete 25% of its league fixtures until early June it’s clear both changes do not comply with the above rule.

 

5 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

League fixtures. Doesn't say anything about the regional starter competition, and the BSPA/L must have decided the window only applied to League racing. The League hadn't started when the changes were made.

I think most people have agreed it's 25% of League fixtures, i.e. when 15 have been completed - which (assuming no postponements) is currently on Thursday, 2 June ... so 2 changes can be made after that, initially using the June Green Sheets.

I guess that if a team makes a change to replace three riders, you'll say that's more than two 

The problem is that you can both be right, as the rule about the Transfer Window does not have a start date. Does it apply:

1. From the point that a team announces its 1-7 which could be months ahead of the start of the season.

2. From the point of the first actual speedway meeting of the season involving two of the six Premiership teams.

3. From the point that an individual team rode its first meeting.

4. From the point of the first league meeting involving two of the six Premiership teams.

5. From the point that an individual team rode its first league meeting.

and then when do the 25% and 75% stipulations get triggered:

1. When an individual team meets these milestones.

2. When the last of the six teams reaches the respective milestone.

As far as I can see the answers to the above can only be by each individual’s interpretation.

[arnieg]

28 minutes ago, JamesB said:

 

The problem is that you can both be right, as the rule about the Transfer Window does not have a start date. Does it apply:

1. From the point that a team announces its 1-7 which could be months ahead of the start of the season.

2. From the point of the first actual speedway meeting of the season involving two of the six Premiership teams.

3. From the point that an individual team rode its first meeting.

4. From the point of the first league meeting involving two of the six Premiership teams.

5. From the point that an individual team rode its first league meeting.

and then when do the 25% and 75% stipulations get triggered:

1. When an individual team meets these milestones.

2. When the last of the six teams reaches the respective milestone.

As far as I can see the answers to the above can only be by each individual’s interpretation.

The rule (as written) is not entirely clear. BUT It refers to 'initial declaration' which is not one of the options you give as there may be months between announcement of a proposed team and its acceptance by the BSPL which is the point at which an initially declared team comes into existence. As an alternative one could posit that the publication of the first set of green sheets [25 March this season] marks the point at which teams come into existence.

As I've said before the extent of the debate on this rule illustrates what a stupid idea it was in the first place.

[2ndbendbeerhut]

4 riders......

4 laps anti clockwise ....

Simples 

[bruno]

Went to this last night , not a great meeting but a few decent races. Always enjoy my visits to Foxhall however sat in the stands there seemed a definite lack of enthusiasm except after heat 15 obviously. However, when I've gone in the past there was a group of massif fans making a cracking noise. Have they given up or told to tone it down

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

4 minutes ago, bruno said:

Went to this last night , not a great meeting but a few decent races. Always enjoy my visits to Foxhall however sat in the stands there seemed a definite lack of enthusiasm except after heat 15 obviously. However, when I've gone in the past there was a group of massif fans making a cracking noise. Have they given up or told to tone it down

My bell is at home with me on Thursdays at the moment

A horn or two in the same situation

[bruno]

5 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

My bell is at home with me on Thursdays at the moment

A horn or two in the same situation

I think I've drunk to much that makes no sense to me whatsoever lol

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

2 hours ago, bruno said:

Went to this last night , not a great meeting but a few decent races. Always enjoy my visits to Foxhall however sat in the stands there seemed a definite lack of enthusiasm except after heat 15 obviously. However, when I've gone in the past there was a group of massif fans making a cracking noise. Have they given up or told to tone it down

 

2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

My bell is at home with me on Thursdays at the moment

A horn or two in the same situation

 

2 hours ago, bruno said:

I think I've drunk to much that makes no sense to me whatsoever lol

A number of the Massif are currently not attending on a regular basis

The noise has largely stopped as a result. There has been little to shout about. The entertainment hasn't generally warranted the effort or the expense!

[Baldyman]

I think even Kevin mentioned the massif not being there on the victory lap.  He defo said something anyway, 

[Roger Jacobs]

23 hours ago, bigcatdiary said:

I don’t like cheating, it’s probably one of the reasons the sport is dying on its arse

Glad it cheers you up, I think it’s commendable your still in good spirits considering your a Witches supporter, let’s be honest you haven’t had much else to celebrate have you.

I don't let it bother me, because win or lose, it has no major impact on my life - just a moment of cheerfulness or a feeling of same-old-same-old.  Even if the Witches won something, it's only transient - there's much more to life than getting upset about sport.

Nobody has cheated. Whichever regulation was used - either a poorly written, vague new Reg, or some sort of dispensation - it was approved.

Stop being such an authoritarian stuffed-shirt and just chill 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Roger Jacobs
Typo

[Baldyman]

Gotta love rolling averages, riders have poor starts like Danny and Heeps,, averages up,,, and Riss has had a good start,,, and average down. 

We are still bottom of combined averages,,, and a whopping 4.5 points behind sheffield

Edited May 28, 2022 by Baldyman