TotallyHonestJohn Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Who is the governing body? Is it not the same blokes who make the rules up about guest riders? Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Who is the governing body? Is it not the same blokes who make the rules up about guest riders? Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted June 15, 2022 Report Share Posted June 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Who is the governing body? The Mafia lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 The NDL has an excellent rule -- "any eligible rider in the NDL can only guest twice at the same track during a season" That would be for home or away teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 I think both Leagues would collapse if Bomber got injured. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/17/2022 at 4:26 PM, crescent girl said: The NDL has an excellent rule -- "any eligible rider in the NDL can only guest twice at the same track during a season" That would be for home or away teams. Interesting and will see how it pans out for the remainder of the season. Just off quick scans Alfie Bowtell has already guested twice for Plymouth so can't for them anymore or any visiting side. I assume same applies for unattached riders also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 Perhaps the home team could race in white suits and the away team in black suits. They could all be named “Stig”, no one would care who’s who and one rider could cover for several team mates on both sides. Rider shortage resolved over night! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 30 minutes ago, Deano said: Perhaps the home team could race in white suits and the away team in black suits. They could all be named “Stig”, no one would care who’s who and one rider could cover for several team mates on both sides. Rider shortage resolved over night! Tbh with team kevlars it feels a bit like that anyway lol Yes some riders' styles you can pick out but not all, especially away riders! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 On 5/19/2022 at 3:00 PM, Fina said: With all the comments I see about lack of riders and a lot racing abroad half the week I wonder if there would there be enough available as guests is appearances were limited? A question I have on guests is whether there is a limit to how many guests a team can have for one meeting? Think it was last week there were 3 guests in a team for one meeting. Back in the "good old days" Leicester once rode a home match with 6 guests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Back in the "good old days" Leicester once rode a home match with 6 guests. I think it was an away match at Swindon. Douglas Underwood plus six guests in the mid 70s. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, arnieg said: I think it was an away match at Swindon. Douglas Underwood plus six guests in the mid 70s. Bomber must be gutted to not have been born until 1982, as he would have been a shoe in for one of those slots..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Trees said: Tbh with team kevlars it feels a bit like that anyway lol Yes some riders' styles you can pick out but not all, especially away riders! Isn't the number on the front/back of their kevlars/jackets a bit of a clue?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Isn't the number on the front/back of their kevlars/jackets a bit of a clue?! And sometimes on the side of their bikes too...! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 6 hours ago, arnieg said: I think it was an away match at Swindon. Douglas Underwood plus six guests in the mid 70s. If Dougie was the only Lion, it was a pity we couldn’t have had seven guests! Nice chap, but so was my Grandad and I wouldn’t have wanted either of them riding for the Lions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted June 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 Most supporters agree that the Guest Rider system has degenerated into an uncontrollable farce. Logically, speedway cannot really do without it, since if the sport is to be watchable, the teams have to be of reasonably equal strength - and in this current season, that isn't the case - so couldn't we restrict what clubs can do or can't do with their guest? How about saying that you guest cannot be nominated for heat 15 and couldn't be used as a tactical substitute? Again, when choosing a guest, the rule could limit a club's choice to a rider whose inclusion would not make their overall points average greater than that of their opponents? As an example, Poole's next away match is at Newcastle, a meeting they will expect a fairly comfortable win. Should Poole's top rider be out injured, they will probably book the best rider in the league as a guest, but with the restrictions I suggest, they would have to tailor their choice to the strength of Newcastle, which might even force them to bring in a number 8! I'm not having a pop at Poole. In such circumstances, they will do what the rules allow them to do, but some restriction which would apply to all clubs would surely be beneficial to the paying public as to speedway in general? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) Good post...but what really is beneficial to the paying public? Watching a no.8 or a highly skilled speedway rider? Edited June 19, 2022 by GiveusaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 P.s atm, the world Cup of darts beats speedway by a country mile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 hours ago, brianbuck said: Most supporters agree that the Guest Rider system has degenerated into an uncontrollable farce. Logically, speedway cannot really do without it, since if the sport is to be watchable, the teams have to be of reasonably equal strength - and in this current season, that isn't the case - so couldn't we restrict what clubs can do or can't do with their guest? How about saying that you guest cannot be nominated for heat 15 and couldn't be used as a tactical substitute? Again, when choosing a guest, the rule could limit a club's choice to a rider whose inclusion would not make their overall points average greater than that of their opponents? As an example, Poole's next away match is at Newcastle, a meeting they will expect a fairly comfortable win. Should Poole's top rider be out injured, they will probably book the best rider in the league as a guest, but with the restrictions I suggest, they would have to tailor their choice to the strength of Newcastle, which might even force them to bring in a number 8! I'm not having a pop at Poole. In such circumstances, they will do what the rules allow them to do, but some restriction which would apply to all clubs would surely be beneficial to the paying public as to speedway in general? But why need a guest in that scenario? Just have a fit and proper RR facility rather than the poor one they use currently.. All riders can take 7 rides now, so fit a RR facility around that premise.. "But what if another rider gets injured?".. Then the team will struggle and probably get beat... What if football team have used all their subs and two players get injured? Then the team will struggle and probably get beat... Injuries happen in most sports.. Only Speedway (in the UK), contrives ridiculous ways of dealing with it... Up to, and including, allowing a team weakened by injury to actually be strengthened by their league rivals to a higher level than they were running at... In short. You can have a better chance of victory using your rivals riders than your own... Sell that one to major companies and the wider mainstream media... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just follow the Polish example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 Don't forget 2017 Peterborough v Ipswich KO cup final when Scott Nicholls rode for Peterborough in the 1st leg & then rode for Ipswich in the 2nd leg. A truly professional sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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