szkocjasid Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 18 hours ago, chunky said: Is it really that crazy when the points reflect your finishing position in the event? At least this way, the winner gets the most points, the second-place man gets more than the third-place man, etc... That didn't always happen with the old system. 1) Why do 3 riders on 5 have to be split into finishing 11th, 12th & 13th for example. Why can't they all finish 11th= on 5 pts? 2) I never minded the winner not getting the most points, I'd much rather 7 races count towards your score than just 1. 3) If they're desperate to have the winner get the most points, just make the final 20-18-17-16 & everyone else keep their points from the qualifying heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 6 hours ago, chunky said: I agree with you as far as the 20 heats, but modern sport is all about sudden-death and play-offs. A straight 20 heats WOULD be easy to have all race points counting, but with semis and a final, that alters things drastically. Overall, I preferred the previous system, but I never liked the way that a rider could win a GP, and receive a much lower score than the guys he beat. To me, that defeats the object of sport... Not if the object is to secure well in every race, rather than just the last one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 7 hours ago, customhouseregular said: But it isn’t the case here is it?. Unless one makes the final they can finish with less points scored over 20 races. Make the final and finish with more points scored over 20 races. In what other sphere of motor sport does this apply?. Not necessarily, on Saturday a rider scoring 6 points & missing out on the semis gave them 8 GP points. You could also win 6 races, be 4th in the final & leave with just 14 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 6 hours ago, customhouseregular said: We will have to agree to differ my friend. I don’t like the new system. I never liked semis and finals either. For me it’s 20 heats with top scorer winning. Sorry if that makes me a dinosaur. I would be totally happy with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 I personally think the current scoring is the worst ever & have not heard a single argument to convince me otherwise. However if they are desperate for the winner to score the most points, it is far easier fixed. 1) A-B-C-D finals with the current scoring in place. Winner would always get the most points & would stop someone finishing in 8th being able to win the meeting, which is better in my view. Would also remove the current situation of splitting 3 riders on 5 points by countback, at least this way their place in the finals decides the points. 2) Final is scored 20-18-17-16, then points scored in heats count for the rest. Winner always scores most for the ones who prefer that. But all the qualifying races count for the rest. This avoids one rider on 6 scoring 3 more points than another on 6. Also avoids one rider on 9 scoring 1 more point than a rider on 6. Both if these are possible with current scoring system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmauger Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 And in days of yore people said the likes of Exeter, Hull (Boulevard), Newport (Somerton Park) & Newcastle (early 1960's) were a tad bumpy . Still, it was experience for the riders not used to such choppy comditions and hopefully the riders who spilled weren't too badly shook up. And new GP scoring takes a bit of getting used to, not 100% sold on it myself but it is what it and being speedway could well change at the end of the current season.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 18 hours ago, Gambo said: Apologies for the formatting, but below is a list of comparisons. Biggest winner Leon Madsen +8 Rider / Race Points / GP Points / Diff (+/-) Bartosz Zmarzlik 57 62 +5 Maciej Janowski 46 51 +5 Tai Woffinden 42 43 +1 Leon Madsen 42 50 +8 Fredrik Lindgren 39 46 +7 Patryk Dudek 36 35 -1 Martin Vaculik 33 35 +2 Dan Bewley 33 32 -1 Max Fricke 32 32 = Robert Lambert 32 36 +4 Mikkel Michelsen 31 34 +3 Jason Doyle 29 35 +6 Jack Holder 27 26 -1 Anders Thomsen 25 29 +4 Pawel Przedpelski 19 15 -4 Matej Zagar 10 11 +1 Kai Huckenbeck 6 7 +1 Maksym Drabik 5 4 -1 Jan Kvech 3 1 -2 Jakub Miskowiak 1 0 -1 Race Points make it closer and easier to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 14 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: I trying to think of another sport where individuals score points which are then wiped out in favour of a different scheme. What about Tennis? You win first set 6-0. You are 1-0 up. You win second set 6-0. You are 2-0 up You lose the next 3 sets 6-7. You win 30 games. Your opponent wins 21 games. You lose 3-2. And that's before even going into the number of actual points, which are also immediately wiped out in favour of the number of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Grachan said: What about Tennis? You win first set 6-0. You are 1-0 up. You win second set 6-0. You are 2-0 up You lose the next 3 sets 6-7. You win 30 games. Your opponent wins 21 games. You lose 3-2. And that's before even going into the number of actual points, which are also immediately wiped out in favour of the number of games. Ah, but that's different (or so the "experts" on here will try to convince you...) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 16 hours ago, Fromafar said: Despite your hate of him Janowski is World Class as the last few seasons have proved.Track a disgrace and riders have a full season without risking taking chances on a Moto Cross.Meeting have been called of in Poland on tracks better prepared that that.Listening to the riders today they were not happy regarding last night. Where have I said I hate Janowski? Where have I said he isn’t world class? Do I think he will ever be world champion? No I believe he isn’t mentally tough enough It’s called an opinion Magic may prove me wrong I just feel when it comes to the crunch he goes missing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Gavan said: Where have I said I hate Janowski? Where have I said he isn’t world class? Do I think he will ever be world champion? No I believe he isn’t mentally tough enough It’s called an opinion Magic may prove me wrong I just feel when it comes to the crunch he goes missing As long as Bartosz continues at his current level Magic will not reach the top spot. As we know, speedway is a precarious sport so anything may happen. If Bartosz is forced to miss a couple of rounds then go feel the title is Magic’s and lose. Just my opinion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, customhouseregular said: As long as Bartosz continues at his current level Magic will not reach the top spot. As we know, speedway is a precarious sport so anything may happen. If Bartosz is forced to miss a couple of rounds then go feel the title is Magic’s and lose. Just my opinion of course. As usual my device substituted a couple of words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, customhouseregular said: As usual my device substituted a couple of words. You know you can just edit your post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, chunky said: You know you can just edit your post? It looks right when I press submit but when I read it back it sometimes reads wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 6, 2022 Report Share Posted June 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: It looks right when I press submit but when I read it back it sometimes reads wrong. That's what I mean; you just go back and edit it, and nobody is any the wiser. I do it quite a bit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 7, 2022 Report Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) On 6/4/2022 at 10:06 PM, OveFundinFan said: It’s a pity the grass track racing is not being shown tomorrow, that must be a good watch, what with right hand bends and a jump, and it will be fast. A report from the meeting, then a piece of history afterwards Paul Cooper won the main race before 12,000 fans. Dutch rider was taken to hospital by helicopter, but is ok https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/nordmagazin/100-Bergringrennen-in-Teterow,nordmagazin96630.html Edited June 7, 2022 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 7, 2022 Report Share Posted June 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, iris123 said: A report from the meeting, then a piece of history afterwards Paul Cooper won the main race before 12,000 fans. Dutch rider was taken to hospital by helicopter, but is ok https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/nordmagazin/100-Bergringrennen-in-Teterow,nordmagazin96630.html Must be amazing to race on it, and spectacular to watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted June 7, 2022 Report Share Posted June 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Must be amazing to race on it, and spectacular to watch it. Sure it is amazing for the riders Tbh i maybe had a bad day the one time i went. Got a bit lost and took far longer than i thought. So i had missed Kelvin Tatums (who i mainly wanted to watch) heats on the quali day. And am not too keen on losing sight of the riders, as a speedway fan. That steep bend is the most spectacular part for me. But it did seem that the majority of fans were there more for the beer and the party than the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 5:45 PM, OveFundinFan said: Must be amazing to race on it, and spectacular to watch it. No cos you can only see part of the race like a road race ...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Trees said: No cos you can only see part of the race like a road race ...... It can be difficult to see the other end of a grass track oval…… other than smallish images that you know are riders. Does not take away the spectacle of grass track racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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