customhouseregular Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, chunky said: More in line with ANY sport - the higher you place, the more points you get! Crazy concept to a lot on here, though... But it isn’t the case here is it?. Unless one makes the final they can finish with less points scored over 20 races. Make the final and finish with more points scored over 20 races. In what other sphere of motor sport does this apply?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: But it isn’t the case here is it?. Unless one makes the final they can finish with less points scored over 20 races. Make the final and finish with more points scored over 20 races. In what other sphere of motor sport does this apply?. No. Race points are only used as the qualification criteria for the semis; championship points are awarded STRICTLY on finishing position. The guy who finished 3rd will ALWAYS get more than the guy who finished 4th, who will always get more than the guy who finished 5th. This is the problem, as people seem to intertwine and confuse the two. Race points aren't included in the championship standings. It doesn't matter that someone scored 15 points, and finished last in his semi; the 15 points just secured a spot in the semi - NOTHING ELSE. WHether he got a 15-point max, or scraped in with 6, it doesn't matter. If he finishes last in his semi, he will get the same points. It's no different to the old World Final system. Somebody could win the Overseas Finak with 15, and another could scrape in with 7. The important thing is that they qualified for the Inter-Continental Final, where they all start from scratch again. That's what the semis are now - it is "another round" where they all start from scratch. In what other forms of motorsport do they have no brakes? In what other forms of sport do they have 16-man round-robins? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: But it isn’t the case here is it?. Unless one makes the final they can finish with less points scored over 20 races. Make the final and finish with more points scored over 20 races. In what other sphere of motor sport does this apply?. The scoring system is a mess at the moment, it's neither one thing or another. The top 4 get awarded points based on their finishing position in the GP (the final), the 2 losing semi finalists, well I'm not quite sure how they get awarded their points R&R will know and then the bottom 8 get their points awarded based on their race points... it's a right bugger's muddle! It's not comparable with other motor sports as their competitors race against all of their opponents in one continuous race... now there's an idea, a 70 lap Speedway race! Edited June 5, 2022 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, chunky said: No. Race points are only used as the qualification criteria for the semis; championship points are awarded STRICTLY on finishing position. The guy who finished 3rd will ALWAYS get more than the guy who finished 4th, who will always get more than the guy who finished 5th. This is the problem, as people seem to intertwine and confuse the two. Race points aren't included in the championship standings. It doesn't matter that someone scored 15 points, and finished last in his semi; the 15 points just secured a spot in the semi - NOTHING ELSE. WHether he got a 15-point max, or scraped in with 6, it doesn't matter. If he finishes last in his semi, he will get the same points. It's no different to the old World Final system. Somebody could win the Overseas Finak with 15, and another could scrape in with 7. The important thing is that they qualified for the Inter-Continental Final, where they all start from scratch again. That's what the semis are now - it is "another round" where they all start from scratch. In what other forms of motorsport do they have no brakes? In what other forms of sport do they have 16-man round-robins? We will have to agree to differ my friend. I don’t like the new system. I never liked semis and finals either. For me it’s 20 heats with top scorer winning. Sorry if that makes me a dinosaur. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: We will have to agree to differ my friend. I don’t like the new system. I never liked semis and finals either. For me it’s 20 heats with top scorer winning. Sorry if that makes me a dinosaur. I agree with you as far as the 20 heats, but modern sport is all about sudden-death and play-offs. A straight 20 heats WOULD be easy to have all race points counting, but with semis and a final, that alters things drastically. Overall, I preferred the previous system, but I never liked the way that a rider could win a GP, and receive a much lower score than the guys he beat. To me, that defeats the object of sport... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 I trying to think of another sport where individuals score points which are then wiped out in favour of a different scheme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: I trying to think of another sport where individuals score points which are then wiped out in favour of a different scheme. Try looking at the World Cup. Round-robin groups with a points table, which are then wiped out in favour of a knockout... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 18 minutes ago, chunky said: Try looking at the World Cup. Round-robin groups with a points table, which are then wiped out in favour of a knockout... Not individuals though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 I personally think we ve taken a step backwards with the present system the gp was introduced to see who was the best rider over a series of meetings ( for me that means every race ) how about the rider with the most points at the end of the meeting wins the gp including semi final and final points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 IMO over the GP Series the "cream will always float to the top" whatever the scoring system 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 Scoring system needs to get back to where every ride counts towards your final score, you can fiddle around with the semi`s and final but this current system is next to useless. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, FAST GATER said: IMO over the GP Series the "cream will always float to the top" whatever the scoring system It certainly repays consistency. A rider finishing second in every GP would most likely be crowned champion, even if not winning a single round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: It certainly repays consistency. A rider finishing second in every GP would most likely be crowned champion, even if not winning a single round. Like Mark Loram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said: I trying to think of another sport where individuals score points which are then wiped out in favour of a different scheme. British Superbikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 39 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: Not individuals though. Doesn't matter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Like Mark Loram true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 48 minutes ago, Tim G said: British Superbikes That is weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: That is weird. EVERY sport has it's own quirks. Take my own sport of darts. Are there any other sports where both players/teams don't get an equal number of turns to finish the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 3 hours ago, customhouseregular said: But it isn’t the case here is it?. Unless one makes the final they can finish with less points scored over 20 races. Make the final and finish with more points scored over 20 races. In what other sphere of motor sport does this apply?. Moto X, Superbikes, Flat track, Grass track just about any that has more than one race per meeting. Generally the points from two races are added together to give a finishing position from which Championship points are awarded. So somebody can easily win the first race and have 20 points, crash in the second and end up taking home 8 or 10 Championship points. Perhaps the most direct comparison would be Supercross where they have to qualify to make the night show then compete in a series of heats, semis and last chance races but Championship points are only awarded on position in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 5, 2022 Report Share Posted June 5, 2022 23 hours ago, Gavan said: Disgusting that a GP track is that bad….. of course Shovlar likes it he is a wind up merchant who always gives an opposite opinion to anyone else just to cause comment sad and predictable Someone said the Poles didn’t like it well first and second shows that to be wrong lol Tai looking good just an awful gate choice in the semi Dan just made a mistake in the first corner of his semi final maybe youthful exuberance and lack of experience Lambert steady if not spectacular but that was what was needed tonight And what can you say about Zmarzlik…… hated conditions but like a multi world champion does he made the best of a bad night …. I hope he goes on to win it again as he is the best rider by far and amazing to watch Madsen to inconsistent to put up a challenge and the less said about Janowski the better he just crumbles and sulks and will never be a world champion isn’t mentally tough enough Can see it being the ‘old guard’ so to speak as the top 3 at the end of the season…. Zmarzlik, Tai and Freddie Despite your hate of him Janowski is World Class as the last few seasons have proved.Track a disgrace and riders have a full season without risking taking chances on a Moto Cross.Meeting have been called of in Poland on tracks better prepared that that.Listening to the riders today they were not happy regarding last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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