tone deaf Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 I though Pedersen complaining about Gollob's mudguard was just sour grapes.Lets face it, he was well beaten. Well done Tomasz & very well done to Jesper who so nearly made the final (& deserved to). Hurry back Scotty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooner_girl4eva Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Well I didnt think my first comment would have to be to tell others to lay Nicki of his personal habits!! What a silly thing to complain about. I admit its not pleasant to watch but its not Nicki's fault, a camerman chooses to film him then and then Sky decide to air it worldwide, I'm sure Nicki would rather be discussed for more positive or EVEN negative reasons to do with his racing that his personal hygiene!!! What a complete joke, I know most people on here hate him but theres no need to go overboard and start talking about how dosgusting, dirty and spotty he is Also, love the comments from Poole fans already slating Sullivan's performance I bet on Sully so I was disappointed he didnt do better but its only 1 GP. Look at the starts to GP seasons Crump has had previously and even though Nicki was Champ, he didnt start off amazingly, he just rode consistently. Its very harsh to start criticising him when he has rode in lesser meetings that the others around him, give him a chance and wait and see. I would have thought for most Poole fans, top of your list would be for Sully to perform well for the Pirates and then in the GP- just wait and see before you start condoning him. I thought Tony Steele was the biggest joke out there, he made a mockery of the GP and speedway in general. I was sitting with my partner who isnt really into speedway but tries for my sake and even he couldnt believe the decisions Steele made. It was blindingly obvious to someone who isnt THAT into speedway so a paid professional should make the right decisions. Tony should have been excluded twice, the ref bottled it under pressure from the Swedish crowd and it wasnt on. Tony was a lucky man and I hope we dont see repeats of bottling decisons from refs in future GP's I thought the tapes fiasco was a joke too. They had plenty of chances to sort it out but they didnt seem too bothered. It was unfair on the riders starting on the inside and it should have been treated more seriously. Also, how bad was Gate 2 out there?! I was impressed with TRicks win from Gate 2 but it was a dreadful gate Other than that, I didnt think the crowd looked majorly big but hard to tell really. Some races were good, thought Nicki, Gollob, Crump, Adams and Brhel made some exceptional passes through the night. Well done to Adams, he had been performing well and great pass on Crump, who I was surprised didnt put up more fight in the final. Roll on Prague! I also apologise that my message isnt very cheery, lots to moan about unfortunately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspie Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 yes, the tapes was a joke, i noticed that on the starting gates, they had a big spring on the bottom half of the starting gates, then elastic on the top of the starting gates, never seen that before, Waspie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTDragons Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Last night, it was the ref for allowing Gollob to ride without a mudguard . If he admits that he is simply beaten fair & square from time to time, I'm sure that he would find that he is criticised less by the public. Actually, the following are taken from the speedway regulations (2000 edition but I assume they still apply): Section 11.39: Mudguards must project laterally beyond the tyre on each side. Section 11.40: A front mudguard must extend at least 5degrees ahead of a vertical line running through the centre of the front wheel axle & for an "upright" engine overlap the top edge of the engine guard by at least 5 degrees. A rear mudguard must extend at least 5 degrees behind a vertical line running through the centre of the rear axle. Section 11.40.1: Both front & rear mudguards must not have sharp edges. They must be made of material that will not cause injuries when deformed. etc. So Nikki has every right to complain if the regulations are not adhered to. Apologies for incorrectly stating that Gollob ran without a mudguard (instead of a broken mudguard) and thanks Liontamer for reminding me of Section 11.39 & 11.40 of the regulations , but the point I was trying to make was that mudguard or not, the result between Gollob and Pedersen would have been no different, and that sometimes accepting defeat gracefully is better than coming across as a bad loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) Just watched the video, at speed and my general impressions, some cracking races, some mediocre. BO Brhel, not Bohumil, Mr Millard please, can still do it when he wants to . Did Tony Steele bottle it? Well I agreed with one all 4 back but not the other, couldn't see anything wrong with the Jensen incident. The starting tapes fiasco, could the fact they did not attempt to fix them have anything to do with the fact that they run the GP to a timetable to fit in with live TV As for Nicki P's personal habits.....not very nice, but then I'm sure we all do things we would rather others don't see at times As for What about the farting? No problem unless they invent smellyvision Edited May 2, 2004 by Star Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electro Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 I thought it was one of the better GP's, Only spoilt at the end by sorting the gates out If they could perfect the outside tables going up first, like last night it would be great !!! Can't see what all the fuss is about with Tony, All incidents were on the first bend, and if no one deliberately knocked someone off, why not "all 4 Back" I just hope they keep making the same decisions throughout the GP's In the end the best rider on the night won, so well done Leigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozyace Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Well done to 'The Book' and Crumpy, i hope this year we (Aussie's) finally get another world champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiegal Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 fingers crossed ozyace, would love to see an aussie champ can't wait to see the meeting on foxtel. it's going to be a long 2 weeks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 What a silly thing to complain about. I admit its not pleasant to watch but its not Nicki's fault, a camerman chooses to film him then and then Sky decide to air it worldwide. Why is it not Nicki's fault? He knows the Sky cameras are all over the place and everything is filmed live. He chose to remove his helmet before heat 13 to spit twice knowing the cameraman was there, did two impressive ones before the semi-final, which anyone would have been proud of as they must have gone at least 3 feet, and then of course there was the nostil clearing whilst standing in a group of people including Alun Rossiter and the girl with blue headphones. He is our World Champion and I want to feel proud of him and no...I am not a Nicki hater. Just don't admire him very much. Anyway back to the racing. I don't know why there was such an issue about the tapes rising fractionally later on the inside because in 21 races - before they were checked - the rider on the inside in Red gated first on eleven occasions so it couldn't have been that much of a disadvantage. It seems to be pretty normal for a couple of the gates to be better than others in any meeting and in this case it was gate two (Blue)which was the worst. White gated first in 8 races and Yellow twice. Some good design Helmets on show and I particularly liked the Gold coloured ones belonging to Bjarne Pedersen and Hans Andersen. I was impressed with the attitude of Jason Crump, especially when he went to find Greg Hancock to sympathise with him after he was eliminated. Even then he got no credit from Tony Millard who said it was the other way round. I agree with all those who thought Tony Rickardsson was very lucky, but I would still prefer to see four riders in a race so didn't really mind the all four back decision. I think Tony Steele got it wrong though when he stopped heat 10 because Crumpy was already remounting. Rickardsson definitely had problems so was very lucky to get another chance in the re-run, when he should have been excluded for not being under power at the time the race was stopped. Some great racing and I hope the track at Cardiff is that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Perhaps Terry R and friends could club together and buy him a box of tissues? Most of us know how to use them - perhaps instruction could be given to the World Champion if he has problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Nicki does nothing wrong on the track so you find something else to have a go at him about...and some of the younger members are accused of being immature. Pathetic! As has been shown he was well within his rights to complain about Gollob, or rather the bike. The fact that it doesn't improve the performance of the bike for Tomasz is beside the point. Nickis argument stands. What's the point of having rules if they're not adhered to. Tomaszs' bike was not within the regulations, and so he should be excluded. What if his silencer fell off or something like that. He'd be excluded. Where's the difference? Having said that it would have been the ref's fault for not giving him time to fix it. On the subject of the ref... Words fail me. The tapes made a mockery of the entire night. He got every decission wrong in my opinion. Kaj L should not have been excluded. The more I wathced the replays the more I thought he just locked up and got clattered. Any following rider should have had time to make some sort of effort to miss him. A tough call but the wrong decision in my opinion. Tony and Jason should have been excluded, but why did he stop the race. Jason fell but was re-mounting, and Tony had an ef and ground to a halt on the outside out of the way. With the leader on the third turn, and having decided to stop it he gave himself a problem. The only reason he could ahve stopped the race would be for Jason falling. That makes Jason the primary cause, and Tony wasn't under power. You can't put them all back. Ridiculous decission. Now I would love to see Tony go on to break the record as much as anyone but... He clearly knocked Greg off. It wasn't all 4 bunching. There was plenty of room for Tony to turn naturally but he didn't. Greg had absolutely nowhere to go. Tony caused Greg to fall. The race was stopped, Tony has to be excluded. It got worse when he took out Tomasz. This was even more clear cut. I'd love to read Steve S comments if it had been Nicki inside Tony with the same outcome. Tony took him uot big time. I'm sure there was no intention what-so-ever, but Tomasz has the burns on his hand to prove there was contact. (and plenty of it) Poor old Jesper. On his way to a dream result, and he gets knocked off. Again no intentio but clearly there was contact. Anyone who's not sure take a look at the replay again. The dirt deflector hits Jespers foot. You can see Jespers foot go forward as the dirt deflector knocks his foot from under him. This unbalances him going into the corner, and there's only one place he's going to end up. Worst ref I can remember seeing. It's bad enough getting one big decision wrong, but all of them?!!! Overall I thought it was an all or nothing GP. Either the riders were spaced out by 30 yards or they were brilliant races. Sadly more spaced out, but better than some one-off tracks. Well done to the top 4 on a good start. Special mention to Lee, Mark, Bo, Bjarne, Greg and Jesper who all had good rides and will settle for that I guess. Better to be in the mid-field than go out after two rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Seen on the German site that there is not even 9,000 at the meeting.Joke surely NO the crowd was good. Not as packed on the bends as previous years but still pretty full. 15000 capacity and it was well under...u should py more attention! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 (edited) Nicki does nothing wrong on the track so you find something else to have a go at him about...and some of the younger members are accused of being immature. Pathetic. We'll just have to agree to have differing opinions about this. If you think it's immature to comment on what was part and parcel of the Sky T.V. show then so be it. I would have said the same if it had been Mark Loram or Greg Hancock, but strangely enough although Mark had a cold I didn't see him blowing his nose with his fingers or spitting. When celebrities get to the top of their profession they should be someone to look up to, but that's just my opinion. You have yours, but I wouldn't call your opinion pathetic. Let Nicki carry on spitting, farting and snotting out his nostril contents to his heart's content, makes no difference to me but it won't make me respect or admire him I'm afraid. Edited May 3, 2004 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Addison Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Tony Steele is not as good a referee as some people on here seem to think.Why do they sing his praises so much ? Something to do with ' well at least he's British, not like those foreign refs and as for that Hungarian' or is it because we have no World Class riders capable of winning the World title at the moment ??? So at least we have the top ref.Well i don't see it at all.This is the man who made a monumental cock up in 2000, costing Rickardsson the title that year and saturday was the worst display of ineptitude i've seen for a long while. The GP's should be shared out more fairly, or can't the powers that be find 7 or 8 refs in the world up to the job ? Sorry state if that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 15000 capacity and it was well under...u should py more attention! I thought the GP`s had to be held in big stadiums as well as big cities 15,000 capacity isnt that big.Excuse my ignorance on the matter ,is it always so poorly supported in Sweden?what do they get for a league match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcoholic Mathematician Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Kaj L should not have been excluded. The more I wathced the replays the more I thought he just locked up and got clattered. Any following rider should have had time to make some sort of effort to miss him. A tough call but the wrong decision in my opinion. If he 'just locks up' then he is not fully in control, and it is his own fault if he gets hit. I too didn't think Jesper should have been excluded. If he had stayed on, Gollob's line further into the corner would certainly have taken Jensen into the fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheDonTiny Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 I went to the GP sat and i thought der was quite a few ppl there, ye there empty seats but i still think dey got a good turn out for the stadium size, and as for the ref i was on the 2nd bend and saw all da crashes and all i can say is TR is a lucky man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liontamer Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 i thought der was quite a few ppl therebut i still think dey got a good turn out i saw all da crashes Duh......ficko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mark cox Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 A terrific meeting on a terrific temporary track. Congrats to Ole and his diddy men for their sterling work. Lets hope it wasn't a fluke and they've discovered the knack. Apparently the Great TRick was amazed he hadn't won, as he had 'dominated' most of his races, whilst the rest of us were amazed (bar the blind school, the crazy and the odd Poole fan) that he was actually in the bloody final! Had the ref had a crafty shilling on him or what?! Has any rider had as much luck in one meeting... obviously he has been hanging out with a few black cats lately... It was good to see a new mellow Jason Grump fizzing around like potassium on water in the pits... ''COME ON! COME ON!! Maybe the prozac hasn't kicked in yet. Greg H was as usual his totally dignified sportsmanlike self after being knocked off and then caught on the line in one fantastic race. The look on his face after said race when a beaming and babbling Crump was explaining how he had just beat him was a picture... '' yes Jason you truly were fantastic, but please bugger off RIGHT NOW!'' It was great to see Gollob on the money and mostly keen on his hated temporary tracks, lets hope he rides to his true potential all year. All in all a cracking meeting, full of incident, dodgy decisions and some fantastic races! Bring on the next one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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