IronScorpion Posted May 5, 2022 Report Share Posted May 5, 2022 There has been quite a few instances on the updates site of riders giving up when at the back. (cruising round & not racing) What, in your opinion, would a race score be if a rider gives up(cruising not racing) & the rider in 3rd has a problem( engine, chain or fall) & does not cross the line. The rider in 4th continues round & crosses the line. Does he get that point? Note; do NOT check Rules & Regs for an answer! Opinions please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 5, 2022 Report Share Posted May 5, 2022 Yes he gets the point and do he should as he finished 3rd!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted May 5, 2022 Report Share Posted May 5, 2022 There have been cases where a rider has been excluded by the referee for not making an attempt to race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 5, 2022 Report Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 minute ago, MARK246 said: There have been cases where a rider has been excluded by the referee for not making an attempt to race. Over 30 years ago perhaps No such regulation exists any longer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted May 5, 2022 Report Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Over 30 years ago perhaps No such regulation exists any longer Hard to tell now, who is not trying and who is fixing their averages I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted May 5, 2022 Report Share Posted May 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: No such regulation exists any longer Yes there is SR 011.1.18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 7 hours ago, IronScorpion said: There has been quite a few instances on the updates site of riders giving up when at the back. (cruising round & not racing) What, in your opinion, would a race score be if a rider gives up(cruising not racing) & the rider in 3rd has a problem( engine, chain or fall) & does not cross the line. The rider in 4th continues round & crosses the line. Does he get that point? Note; do NOT check Rules & Regs for an answer! Opinions please. The 'not trying to race' regulation is there for a specific reason and I don't think really intended for riders still in the race. I suppose they could theoretically be excluded from the race under that regulation, but what's to say they're not having engine issues of their own? So provided they complete the race within the time limit, it's reasonable to award the point. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 To be honest, the issue of whether the regulations rule on this subject is rather academic. However, I think that riders who give up when they are last, are universally disliked by fans. I've took to putting CBA in my programmes (couldn't be *****). It's clear that the only way to cut out this habit of not racing to the flag is for team managers to kick a few behinds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted May 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 .......... and most of the time it is the top/better riders that are doing this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: .......... and most of the time it is the top/better riders that are doing this. running a last and not making an effort ! could be that they have 2 on the trot , machine probs and saving themselves and their machine for the following heat . . its part of the sport and i dont see why fans should take the huff GET OVER IT . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 1968 Teesside v Canterbury, Pat Flanaghan and Ken Vale rode around on a 1-5 waving at the crowd. Can't remember what consequences were, I was 10 tbf. Same meeting Tyburn Gallows cleared the fence and the dog track in a nasty spill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: The 'not trying to race' regulation is there for a specific reason and I don't think really intended for riders still in the race. I suppose they could theoretically be excluded from the race under that regulation, but what's to say they're not having engine issues of their own? So provided they complete the race within the time limit, it's reasonable to award the point. I do remember an indoor meeting in Kiel, possibly 10 years ago with Tobi Kroner and Matten Kröger for instance. On a concrete floor and quite tricky. Think Tobi broke his leg the first day and so the field was quite depleted on the second day. Anyway, to get to the point, in one heat there were a number of falls or exclusions, and only one rider left, when the heat restarted. Not sure who it was, but he was excluded for not racing !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 Just now, iris123 said: I do remember an indoor meeting in Kiel, possibly 10 years ago with Tobi Kroner and Matten Kröger for instance. On a concrete floor and quite tricky. Think Tobi broke his leg the first day and so the field was quite depleted on the second day. Anyway, to get to the point, in one heat there were a number of falls or exclusions, and only one rider left, when the heat restarted. Not sure who it was, but he was excluded for not racing !!!! It also happened some years ago at Coventry from memory. 3 riders were excluded and only Rick Miller was left in the race, who was then excluded for pulling wheelies! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdave Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 At Workington's first ever away league meeting in April 1970 at Rochdale, in heat 8 both home riders fell and were excluded. In the re-run, Mal McKay and Chris Blythe of Workington were then excluded at the end of the heat by the referee for not racing each other, leading to a 0-0 heat result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said: It also happened some years ago at Coventry from memory. 3 riders were excluded and only Rick Miller was left in the race, who was then excluded for pulling wheelies! It is often ridiculous, because I witnessed a meeting at Ludwigslust once where there was a run/off for whatever it was on the line and the two riders had agreed beforehand to put on a show and just rode side by side popping wheelies all the time. Neither was excluded and the fans were spilt between the ‘ it was great’ camp and the ‘ I have been robbed of a proper race ‘ camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted May 6, 2022 Report Share Posted May 6, 2022 There is a rule that a rider can be disqualified for not making a bonefide effort to race. But if a rider is tailed off in 4th & is still on the track & has not stopped moving forward my opinion is until he has been lapped he can continue & claim any points he may qualify for. The Referee will not know why he is traveling so slowly, it might be a mechanical issue or even personal injury. Nobody likes to see a rider give up & just roll around the track but we all stand up to clap the efforts of any rider that pushes their bike for half a lap for a single point. From what I can make of it a rider that makes no effort & comes last has already been punished with no points money & the fans disapproval so why the need to disqualify him as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 21 hours ago, IronScorpion said: .......... and most of the time it is the top/better riders that are doing this. Nicki Pedersen is a bugger for this... it's first or nothing for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 7, 2022 Report Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) Why risk machinery blowing when no chance of third? And as long as you dont get lapped then, if you end up third due to an issue with another rider, then you deserve the point for completing the race... Something the other rider failed to do.. Riders wont "give up" if even half a sniff of passing an opponent so it will only be on the rare occasion that they "coast".. And, if they are average manipulating you would imagine they would want to keep as close to the rider in front as possible, so as to not make it too obvious.. Edited May 7, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted May 8, 2022 Report Share Posted May 8, 2022 Justin Elkins, anyone??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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