Ipswich v Lynn 28/4 LC

[Bagpuss]

Interesting comments on Doyle  I've never been a fan particularly but I thought as a GP rider and former World Champ he was a poor ambassador for speedway on Mobday night, he didn't do one lap of honour from what I saw, nipping back to the pits across the centre concrete every time and not even shaking Pickering's hand after their tremendous heat 9 battle. 

Heard a rumour too that we nearly ended up with him and Kasper rather than Pickering and Worrall this year, thank goodness for that. 

[Bash]

He just isn't a team player, being the more experienced rider he should be taking the worse of the two gates, but it like in the SON he always gave Fricke the worse gate.

[Roger Jacobs]

27 minutes ago, Bash said:

He just isn't a team player, being the more experienced rider he should be taking the worse of the two gates, but it like in the SON he always gave Fricke the worse gate.

The only gate choice in league racing is Heat 15, and riders such as King and Batchelor are experienced enough to deal with whatever gate they agree with Doyle. The main thing is for them to have a plan for likely first bend scenarios.

[Arch Stanton]

Half decent meeting by the way. Bit more of an outside line that worked this week unlike the first meeting against Peterborough. Better crowd than I was expecting too for a dead rubber. 

[SPEEDY69]

I thought Louis was pretty honest in his programme notes about the results so far and to quote Danny King's words was also a reflection of their frustration.  Confidence/mental strength is so key in all sports and what separates champions on that day from the rest. Nobody will be more disappointed with their performances than the riders themselves and kicking them won't always help.  The league starts at Foxhall next week with a really strong looking Belle Vue outfit (should Zagar be in their team and not Allen) and it must be a frightening prospect for the Witches. 

[Baldyman]

Personally I think we beat Belle Vue easily,, even with our normal 1 to 7,,,,Fricke is pony at Foxhall,,, Zagar will be worse than pony,,, and ya never know with Kurtz,,, normally pony but last time was okay,,, Wright is also another one,, has done okay on occasions,,, but not always,,,, but obviously their top 2 being really pony will see us win. The crowd are gonna love it,, the management will then be giving it the big one,, then the home meeting after that we will lose as they are less pony at Foxhall 

[LisaColette]

So Hume has just beaten Pickering at Edinburgh, might have got a draw or even a win if he did it last night! 

[2ndbendbeerhut]

4 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

So Hume has just beaten Pickering at Edinburgh, might have got a draw or even a win if he did it last night! 

Maybe he would have if they had been in the same heat.... 

[LisaColette]

21 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said:

Maybe he would have if they had been in the same heat.... 

Ah there you go then, shoulda done a reserve change! 

[2ndbendbeerhut]

7 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Ah there you go then, shoulda done a reserve change! 

Only one person to blame for that.....

[Roger Jacobs]

4 hours ago, lisa-colette said:

So Hume has just beaten Pickering at Edinburgh, might have got a draw or even a win if he did it last night! 

Another night, on a different track.

In fact, stage the Witches v Stars at Foxhall again with the same line-ups, and you'll get a different result.

[Bald Bloke]

11 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

Another night, on a different track.

In fact, stage the Witches v Stars at Foxhall again with the same line-ups, and you'll get a different result.

You could well do. Richard and Josh might get 20 between them next time

[Roger Jacobs]

4 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

You could well do. Richard and Josh might get 20 between them next time

That's the whole point. Some fans saying, if, if, if - it applies to both teams. Lawson normally rides very well at Foxhall, scored 3!

[Steve Irving]

29 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

That's the whole point. Some fans saying, if, if, if - it applies to both teams. Lawson normally rides very well at Foxhall, scored 3!

Exactly, he scored 3, that was his score, nobody is guessing are they? If you’re talking about a different meeting then sure, his score will certainly be different on a different day. So this “if” doesn’t apply to both teams does it? Because only one team were missing their riders and it wasn’t Lynn who were at full strength. Nobody knows for certain that Starke and Rowe would have scored more than the two points from eight rides that their replacements managed, but an educated guess tells you it’s more than likely!

 

Edited April 30, 2022 by Steve Irving

[Falcon1983]

Every meeting is different and you can only race with the riders available 

Heeps scored 2 I think he would have scored 2 riding at no.2 I think Riss had the pace to win all his races but he was racing Doyle in 3

So Riss at 4 would have seen witches "most likely" win the meeting 

[Roger Jacobs]

7 hours ago, Steve Irving said:

Exactly, he scored 3, that was his score, nobody is guessing are they? If you’re talking about a different meeting then sure, his score will certainly be different on a different day. So this “if” doesn’t apply to both teams does it? Because only one team were missing their riders and it wasn’t Lynn who were at full strength. Nobody knows for certain that Starke and Rowe would have scored more than the two points from eight rides that their replacements managed, but an educated guess tells you it’s more than likely!

The point I made is that if you stage the match again with the *same* line-ups you would get a different result.

[Roger Jacobs]

5 hours ago, Falcon1983 said:

Every meeting is different and you can only race with the riders available 

Heeps scored 2 I think he would have scored 2 riding at no.2 I think Riss had the pace to win all his races but he was racing Doyle in 3

So Riss at 4 would have seen witches "most likely" win the meeting 

"Racing Doyle"?!  They are team mates. The whole point of that pairing, no matter how strange it seemed, was that they would score heat advantages - which they did. Riss also covered Heat 8.
 

The big question is will they risk Heeps at 2 for the match against Belle Vue ... if they do, and he fails to race Doyle (LOL!), at least Starke will be available to cover Heat 8.

Edited May 1, 2022 by Roger Jacobs

[ipswichwitches]

7 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

"Racing Doyle"?!  They are team mates. The whole point of that pairing, no matter how strange it seemed, was that they would score heat advantages - which they did. Riss also covered Heat 8.
 

The big question is will they risk Heeps at 2 for the match against Belle Vue ... if they do, and he fails to race Doyle (LOL!), at least Starke will be available to cover Heat 8.

With heat 8 being a protected heat, the only way Starke could come in is for a tapes offence or failing to beat 2 minutes. 

[Roger Jacobs]

5 hours ago, ipswichwitches said:

With heat 8 being a protected heat, the only way Starke could come in is for a tapes offence or failing to beat 2 minutes. 

Only the #7 is protected - the #6 can replace the #2. Indeed, it's not clear if a T/S can or can't be used for the #2.  I've asked the SCB and BSPL why the regulation is hidden under:

"012.6 RACE FORMATS

012.6.1 15 Heats

In all Premiership Team competitions the #7 is protected in heats 2 and 8 and no replacements are permitted unless injured and confirmed in writing by the MO"

 

[tellboy]

2 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said:

Only the #7 is protected - the #6 can replace the #2. Indeed, it's not clear if a T/S can or can't be used for the #2.  I've asked the SCB and BSPL why the regulation is hidden under:

"012.6 RACE FORMATS

012.6.1 15 Heats

In all Premiership Team competitions the #7 is protected in heats 2 and 8 and no replacements are permitted unless injured and confirmed in writing by the 

Didn't think a T/S was allowed in ht 8 anyway.