spin king junior Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) If this is the way the Birmingham promotion want to run then they've got absolutely no place in the sport. The absolute cheek to charge fans £10 for 2 races. When promotions run like this doing the absolute bare minimum and then genuinely rip off fans they don't just damage their own club, they damage the sports image and reputation or what little it has left. I fully understand that "beggars can't be choosers" but there must be some sort of standard set for promotions looking to run? Because regardless if this consortium "saved" Birmingham speedway with these sort of practices they won't last more than 5 minutes. Laurence Rogers in particular should be absolutely ashamed of himself. He's not a newbie, he knows how the sports run and knows how vital it is to keep fans loyal. Unfortunately I think this will turn anyone with any sense away... Edited April 23, 2022 by spin king junior 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 I agree Birmingham's circumstances are unique this season. They absolutely have to retain the goodwill of the public to stand the best chance of making a success of it. Hiding behind BSPL "policy" won't cut it on this occasion. Hopefully they'll have a rethink 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, noaksey said: I agree Birmingham's circumstances are unique this season. They absolutely have to retain the goodwill of the public to stand the best chance of making a success of it. Hiding behind BSPL "policy" won't cut it on this occasion. Hopefully they'll have a rethink Problem is, like with any business, customer confidence and a good reputation needs to be built up over weeks, months, years, its lost and gone over night. Birmingham`s management need to work on the first bit to stop the second part happening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 I'll be perfectly frank and say I don't think they can afford to. I've no inside information, knowledge, gossip it's just my own opinion. In one interview a comment was made about home matches and bad luck. Through no fault of their own the only match at PB that hasn't been called off lasted 10 heats on a horrible night with a weather affected crowd Some of the rain offs would have cost too as they were quite late ones We've ridden 5 away matches and have another before we're at home again. Nigel was very honest and said he'd put 70k in but it was a one off. Much of that would have been spent on his Bond, making up other payments, new fence and sorting the track out. We've lost the main sponsor and gained another who some people have said aren't as big although obviously helpful. I'm only guessing but by the time you've paid points nd travel for 5 away matches there's not much change out of 20 to 25k. Thats horrific cash flow for any business. 5 matches to pay out and income for 1 plus Wednesday. Two sides to every coin. I don't want someone from Sheffield telling me my club should close, might suggest he buts out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Fromafar said: Certainly think newcomers who didn’t know the readmission policy certainly won’t be impressed and probably feel total rip off sport.2 RACES. FOR£10 given that it could happen again in certain circumstance you probably wont see them again. I think it would make a lot of people think twice including hard core fans.. Unfortunately Birmingham are only following the rules given to them from high above and probably dreaded make that announcement knowing how it would be received. I do think that not having a 2nd ambulance or medical car in attendance is an avoidable schoolboy error tho, and you could have 5 ambulances at the next meeting and find that folk have already decided with their feet. After the horse has bolted and all that. A real shame that Brum are getting bad press after putting in an enormous amount of effort into the track and new airfence and saving the club. Let's remember it was only a few months ago that this was still just a dream to come to the tapes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, The Dog said: I think it would make a lot of people think twice including hard core fans.. Unfortunately Birmingham are only following the rules given to them from high above and probably dreaded make that announcement knowing how it would be received. I do think that not having a 2nd ambulance or medical car in attendance is an avoidable schoolboy error tho, and you could have 5 ambulances at the next meeting and find that folk have already decided with their feet. After the horse has bolted and all that. A real shame that Brum are getting bad press after putting in an enormous amount of effort into the track and new airfence and saving the club. Let's remember it was only a few months ago that this was still just a dream to come to the tapes... It’s not strict rules though it’s more of a “ get out” clause.IMO.Discrection has to be used in this case.I fear for them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, HGould said: I'll be perfectly frank and say I don't think they can afford to. I've no inside information, knowledge, gossip it's just my own opinion. In one interview a comment was made about home matches and bad luck. Through no fault of their own the only match at PB that hasn't been called off lasted 10 heats on a horrible night with a weather affected crowd Some of the rain offs would have cost too as they were quite late ones We've ridden 5 away matches and have another before we're at home again. Nigel was very honest and said he'd put 70k in but it was a one off. Much of that would have been spent on his Bond, making up other payments, new fence and sorting the track out. We've lost the main sponsor and gained another who some people have said aren't as big although obviously helpful. I'm only guessing but by the time you've paid points nd travel for 5 away matches there's not much change out of 20 to 25k. Thats horrific cash flow for any business. 5 matches to pay out and income for 1 plus Wednesday. Two sides to every coin. I don't want someone from Sheffield telling me my club should close, might suggest he buts out And I'll not be told by some brown nose where I can and can't make a comment. You can come up with every excuse under the sun, but charging anyone £10 for 2 races isn't acceptable and its only going to do one thing which is push more people away from the sport. It might be some absolute braindead BSPA rule but it seems ridiculous to actually enforce it and I'll say now if Sheffield were to do the same I'd be voting with my wallet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 23, 2022 Report Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Fromafar said: Certainly think newcomers who didn’t know the readmission policy certainly won’t be impressed and probably feel total rip off sport.2 RACES. FOR£10 given that it could happen again in certain circumstance you probably wont see them again. Brum should advertise £75 for 15 races (pro rata the same), at the next meeting and then see how many turn up... That should tell them the impact a key fundamental decision they have to make would have... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 Well written piece in the Bandits v Oxford programme from Gary Flint, not exactly happy with Wednesday night 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 10 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Well written piece in the Bandits v Oxford programme from Gary Flint, not exactly happy with Wednesday night What was the main issue gary was talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Craba1982 said: What was the main issue gary was talking about? Just bullet pointing roughly what was said- Started off wishing all the best for Auty. Said a meeting being abandoned after 2 races for a straight forward crash is unacceptable. He's sick of turning up at tracks and finding them operating with the bare minimum of medical cover. Believes that the authorities should step in and insist on having two paramedics and ambulances before a meeting should start. Understands that medical cover doesn't come cheap but should be the first item on each clubs budget at the start of the season. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, spin king junior said: Just bullet pointing roughly what was said- Started off wishing all the best for Auty. Said a meeting being abandoned after 2 races for a straight forward crash is unacceptable. He's sick of turning up at tracks and finding them operating with the bare minimum of medical cover. Believes that the authorities should step in and insist on having two paramedics and ambulances before a meeting should start. Understands that medical cover doesn't come cheap but should be the first item on each clubs budget at the start of the season. Common sense comments then... Get the fundamental basics correct first.. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, spin king junior said: Just bullet pointing roughly what was said- Started off wishing all the best for Auty. Said a meeting being abandoned after 2 races for a straight forward crash is unacceptable. He's sick of turning up at tracks and finding them operating with the bare minimum of medical cover. Believes that the authorities should step in and insist on having two paramedics and ambulances before a meeting should start. Understands that medical cover doesn't come cheap but should be the first item on each clubs budget at the start of the season. Don't think any of the above is unreasonable to expect from any promotion to be honest. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 Is there anybody in the new Brum promotion that has been a promoter before other than Rogers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted April 24, 2022 Report Share Posted April 24, 2022 2 hours ago, iainb said: Is there anybody in the new Brum promotion that has been a promoter before other than Rogers? Not to my knowledge of 3 of the 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted April 25, 2022 Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 Next home meeting v Scunthorpe Weds 4th MAY.... first question....is the Medical cover more comprehensive than at the last meeting ? If the answer is no.....then I know at least half a dozen other supporters (including myself) that won't be making the effort to attend. Reason for making this 'post/announcement', is that I want the Club to get it right.... I accept there was nothing that could be done against Berwick....I accept (reluctantly) that I have forfeited £20 from the 2 entrance tickets that I bought (I will be donating the £16 refund to the Josh Auty fund page set up by the club...) but......the Club NEED to employ 2 Paramedics and 2 ambulances from now on IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted April 25, 2022 Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 Im afraid that by following the BSPL refund policy the club have shot themselves in the foot, it has/will been a PR disaster, somehow the promotion need to make sure incidents of this nature cant happen again, but how to entice disgruntled supporters back through the gates is an entirely different proposition, I almost went to the meeting against Berwick luckily I didnt and I will be very reluctant to attend any meeting that has minimal medical cover in the future, not only at Birmingham. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 25, 2022 Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 9 hours ago, kitten2502 said: Not to my knowledge of 3 of the 4. How many of the previous failed promotions has Mr Rogers been involved in do you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted April 25, 2022 Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 http://birmingham-speedway.com/news.php?extend.3149 Nothing else to say here. People who are NOT Brummies fans who are trolling and lecturing about Birmingham Speedway being closed should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. If you can't support SPEEDWAY as a Sport I'm not sure what the point is of attacking it! Those who HAVE paid good money to attend do deserve a hearing and hopefully the Club will come up with a financial solution to both deal with the current NHS crisis and its implications in terms of cover, and something to placate that rather poor PR and initial offer from last Wednesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway fan Posted April 25, 2022 Report Share Posted April 25, 2022 HOMELATEST NEWS FIXTURES/STATISTICS CLUB INFO ADMISSIONCOMMERCIAL RIDERSFAN ZONE HISTORY JOSH AUTY / PERRY BARR PARAMEDIC UPDATE Sunday April 24, 2022 JOSH Auty has been released from hospital after successful surgery on his broken leg. The experienced Brit sustained breaks to his tibia and fibula which have now been pinned and plated. Josh would like to thank supporters for all of their messages and best wishes. Meanwhile, UK Life Medical would like to clarify the situation which saw last Wednesday’s home fixture with Berwick abandoned at Perry Barr. Specialist Paramedic Marc Dodds said: “Josh sustained an injury to his leg and as the Paramedic covering the event on examination I felt that Josh may have sustained a fracture to his Tibia/Fibula. “We provided treatment and ensured Josh had the right amount of pain relief to deal with this type of injury. “Normal procedures when a rider requires hospital treatment is to call 999 and have a NHS County Ambulance attend. “This way care can be passed on and the race meeting can continue. “As we called 999 for Josh we were informed that there would be a 6 hour wait for a 999 response. “The level of injury Josh received and the fact Morphine, which is a controlled drug, had been given meant that only a Paramedic could transport to hospital. “Hospital delays also played a big part of what we faced as many Ambulances are kept outside waiting to go in, this was the case on arrival at hospital where we were told it would be a 5 hour wait. “Thankfully we were able to get Josh in quicker due to his injury type, but this is not always the case. “Even if the Club had a second Ambulance on site, the fact the Paramedic would need to travel would mean the meeting would still have to be cancelled. “The NHS is facing unprecedented delays and this is having a knock on effect across the industry and impacts on meetings such as Speedway. “The owners have tried really hard to keep this club going and have invested a lot of time and money into it. “Some elements are out of their control and also financial implications have to be considered when needing additional cover, this is something that goes on behind the scenes. “We always want to ensure everyone, riders, mechanics, track staff or spectators are always looked after if we are needed. “Please be assured we are working on many solutions.” Birmingham head to reigning Champions Poole on Wednesday (April 27, 7.30) with the next fixture at Perry Barr on Wednesday, May 4 (7.30) against Scunthorpe. Share This: BACKING THE BRUMMIES BIRMINGHAM BRUMMIESvs. SCUNTHORPE SCORPIONS WEDNESDAY MAY 4, 2022 @ 7.30pmCHAMPIONSHIP >> CLICK HERE TO BUY ADVANCE TICKETS ONLINE << © Birmingham Speedway, All rights reserved Privacy Policy | Site Design and Production AP Media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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