Wolves v Belle Vue League Cup 18th April 2022

[GregoryM]

14 minutes ago, Col said:

I was incorrect. Heat 3 was a long time ago .. I thought Douglas had scored a paid maximum.

And, in the interest of balance and fairness, I couldn't agree with you more on two of your other comments.

"1 outstanding 4 laps by Kurtz when he surged beneath Masters then rounded the previously untouchable Worrall does not make up for heats 13 & 15 when he was so far off the pace, it wasn't fathomable."

Trouble is, that is fairly typical Brady Kurtz. We've often seen him look so fast and aggressive in one race, only to be followed by another when he's looked like a novice. I'm not confident we'll win too many last heat deciders if we need a heat advantage in heat 15 if we have to rely on Brady.

"Fricke, awful for #1, two 1-5's conceded at home in 2 matches, didn't get any better." 

And, quite ironic that the tribute to Nigel Pearson (RIP) included the playing on the PA of his & Kelvin Tatum's commentary of the  Keep Your Eyes on Fricke! - YouTube heat v. Somerset in 2018. We've not seen anything like that Max Fricke yet .... here's hoping he's just having a slow start to the season and he comes good for the first league match.

[Borolad]

22 hours ago, Speedtiger said:

I’ve been saying this for ages now, much to the annoyance of his lemonade palls, that Lemon is clueless, he makes basic errors almost every meeting. It’s like he never been in the sport. The way he’s sorted the team out or not as the case maybe this year is a complete disgrace. This is by far the worst bv team in years. Tbh IF Zagar comes back I don’t think things will change that much, we will still struggle. And Zagar sadly is not the rider he was and he will cost the club plenty of money and won’t guarantee to add much to the crowds. 

Zagar did well in the Peter Craven, second in a pretty high class field and must be an improvement on what Aces currently have.  The crowds will come if we're winning.

[Bagpuss]

2 hours ago, Borolad said:

Zagar did well in the Peter Craven, second in a pretty high class field and must be an improvement on what Aces currently have.  The crowds will come if we're winning.

Zagar will make a considerable to Aces fortunes, once Fricke gets going / stops testing it looks a strong, well balanced team.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

On 4/19/2022 at 10:43 AM, scoobydoo said:

Surely as Allen is on a short term 28 day contract sanctioned by the authorities they can replace that rider to bring the team back up to the required number per team before the league campaign starts, 

 

On 4/19/2022 at 11:15 AM, Arch Stanton said:

Yeah, that’s the change, Zagar for Allen. Phil was hinting there was more than one change, that isn’t possible under the current rules. 

 

On 4/19/2022 at 4:00 PM, GregoryM said:

 

Were you doubting yourself with your second comment? Given this is speedway, I can see why if you were!!

Any logic would surely suggest you were right with your first comment.

Allen was signed to fill a team place vacancy for a period of 28 days. After that contract expires surely Belle Vue can sign another rider to fill that team place vacancy again within the team building average limit?

As such, the 'change' would not be a 'change' as defined by the '25% rule'?

Knowing speedway, though, and its interpretation of its own rules, it probably isn't today, but will be tomorrow. 

Having a regulation that's limits team changes and introduces a window for those transfers doesn't fit with allowing 28 day signings whatever the reasons

It gives a potential advantage to the team/s that have been granted the 28 day facility

There is the example of riders now potentially becoming available should a team fail in Sweden but no other team could take advantage due to the transfer restriction except those incompetent enough to fail to put together a full team despite having 6 months to do so......

[Col]

17 hours ago, Borolad said:

Zagar did well in the Peter Craven, second in a pretty high class field and must be an improvement on what Aces currently have.  The crowds will come if we're winning.

Zagar was probably the best rider at the PCM, Woffinden and Zagar swapping places in the final gave MPT the chance to sneak through for the win.

[szkocjasid]

16 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

 

Having a regulation that's limits team changes and introduces a window for those transfers doesn't fit with allowing 28 day signings whatever the reasons

It gives a potential advantage to the team/s that have been granted the 28 day facility

There is the example of riders now potentially becoming available should a team fail in Sweden but no other team could take advantage due to the transfer restriction except those incompetent enough to fail to put together a full team despite having 6 months to do so......

Very good point!

[Spiderman1]

On 4/21/2022 at 7:45 AM, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

 

 

Having a regulation that's limits team changes and introduces a window for those transfers doesn't fit with allowing 28 day signings whatever the reasons

It gives a potential advantage to the team/s that have been granted the 28 day facility

There is the example of riders now potentially becoming available should a team fail in Sweden but no other team could take advantage due to the transfer restriction except those incompetent enough to fail to put together a full team despite having 6 months to do so......

I would have Allen any day over Etheridge , Allen will come good especially at number 2 or reserve, will only come back to bight ol lemon’s favouritisium

[GregoryM]

On 4/20/2022 at 10:45 PM, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

 

 

Having a regulation that's limits team changes and introduces a window for those transfers doesn't fit with allowing 28 day signings whatever the reasons

It gives a potential advantage to the team/s that have been granted the 28 day facility

There is the example of riders now potentially becoming available should a team fail in Sweden but no other team could take advantage due to the transfer restriction except those incompetent enough to fail to put together a full team despite having 6 months to do so......

.....Agree 100% with your opening comment.

Alternatively, however, and tongue-in-cheek here, maybe a team exploring all options and playing the long game until the League season starts - and then you for 'incompetent' you can read e.g.  'clever' or 'astute'.

[stevebrum]

On 4/19/2022 at 2:12 PM, Rob B said:

Wasn’t there last night but reading the updates site I understand there was rain beforehand which effected the track. Heat 1 Etheridge fell bend 4 and was injured why did it take till heat 3 for Douglas to fall on same bend for extensive track work to be done?

The 4th bend is always a problem after heavy rain and i expected grading after heat 2 when it was obvious that it was an issue. Quite often it takes an accident before work is done tho.

[keepturningleft]

On 4/20/2022 at 1:49 PM, Borolad said:

Zagar did well in the Peter Craven, second in a pretty high class field and must be an improvement on what Aces currently have.  The crowds will come if we're winning.

And there you have the reason why speedway is in its current parlous state.

Back in the day I went to watch Halifax week in and out because I thought it was fantastic, exciting sport. The crowds came because people loved the sport and winning or losing wasn't the be-all and end-all of it. It was entertainment and we loved it regardless of the results born out by the fact that Halifax crowds were quite consistent over the 20 years they were in operation.