Newcastle vs Edinburgh SGB Championship KO Cup 1st Rnd 1st Leg Sun 17 Apr 5.30pm

[Racin Jason 72]

4 minutes ago, BuxtonTiger said:

Great, but Morley's National League track race on Sundays.

I’m sure championship racing would be more enticing that ndl 

[Racin Jason 72]

2 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

 

Has Morley improved much in the 10 years or so that a know he's been around?

I would say no but he will consistently score 7 at home and 3 away. At number 7 he will definitely be better than congreve 

[ruffdiamond]

4 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

I would say no but he will consistently score 7 at home and 3 away. At number 7 he will definitely be better than congreve 

If he scored that amount of points regularly, he'd have a 5 pt average. Not sure if he has or will ever achieve that at CL level?

[Justgotmecpc]

11 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

 

Has Morley improved much in the 10 years or so that a know he's been around?

That's why he's in the NL 

[Bagpuss]

25 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

I would say no but he will consistently score 7 at home and 3 away. At number 7 he will definitely be better than congreve 

I don't think he would score anywhere near that unfortunately.

[KEITH M]

44 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

 At number 7 he will definitely be better than congreve 

So would William Lawson 

[mac101]

even if there’s no #1s out there get  2 decent riders that might score  8/10/12 points at home between them just off the top of my head say Palavora and sedgmen that would put wright to reserve with complin and would always have a strong reserve when ave changes strength in depth 

[highside]

8 minutes ago, KEITH M said:

So would William Lawson 

That would give a regular poster on here something to moan about 

[mikebv]

22 minutes ago, KEITH M said:

So would William Lawson 

Dont you have to have so many meetings to become an "asset"..?

Maybe that is what Newcastle are doing if they see potential in the young man..?

Then replace him with one of the standard of riders mentioned....

[ruffdiamond]

18 minutes ago, mac101 said:

even if there’s no #1s out there get  2 decent riders that might score  8/10/12 points at home between them just off the top of my head say Palavora and sedgmen that would put wright to reserve with complin and would always have a strong reserve when ave changes strength in depth 

So, if we were to bin-off the 2 Kiwis, we would have about 15 points for 2 riders. Would be nice if we could fill that gap, but honestly,,, if we were to sign Sedgmen, it might jeopardise my relationships with some involved at Newcastle and I may have to consider my allegiances.  

Or Morley for that matter too!

Edited April 18, 2022 by ruffdiamond

[Justgotmecpc]

14 minutes ago, highside said:

That would give a regular poster on here something to moan about 

Once congreve can sort his trapping out ( which was better ) last night  but tbf Edinburgh had there gating gloves on big style & were far faster out than the diamonds & I think the track was still to fair & suited Edinburgh more than us !! But it did produce good racing tho

[Justgotmecpc]

1 minute ago, ruffdiamond said:

So, if we were to bin-off the 2 Kiwis, we would have about 15 points for 2 riders. Would be nice if we could fill that gap, but honestly,,, if we were to sign Sedgmen, it might jeopardise my relationships with some involved at Newcastle and I may have to consider my allegiances.  

Sedgmen isn't the answer 

[ruffdiamond]

1 minute ago, Justgotmecpc said:

Sedgmen isn't the answer 

It would be mine,,, see ye at Christmas! 

Edited April 18, 2022 by ruffdiamond

[Justgotmecpc]

12 hours ago, KEITH M said:

I have been going to Brough for 43 years now and for 40 of them years I used to pay my entrance money to watch the Owens, Hunter, Bargh, Pedersen( Nicki and Bjarne)Stuart Robson   Larson, Bach and Lambert etc Now when I pay my entrance money I say I am going to watch Cook, Masters, Pickering, Nicholls, Charles Wright, Kerr and the Worralls etc …. Notice the common theme ? I used to go to be excited by my teams riders now I look forward to seeing the opposition teams riders 

Remember when barghy came over as a raw teenager & found his 1st season really tough & look how his career panned out 

[Normski]

1 minute ago, Justgotmecpc said:

Remember when barghy came over as a raw teenager & found his 1st season really tough & look how his career panned out 

We had the same at Berwick with Wayne Brown but sadly the days of persevering with young riders are no more sadly.

[enotian]

11 hours ago, Bellers101 said:

There are riders available such as Sedgeman, Kheler etc. There also seems to be a lack of interest in finding new talent from abroad. I partly blame that on the over abused guest system. It's far cheaper to use 'borrowed' riders that are already in this country than do the hard work to bring a new talent over. There will be foreign talents especially the younger riders wanting to ride over here.

As far as I am aware the Diamonds promoters don't have a sponsors license so even if they had found a potential newcomer they wouldn't be able to sign for the Diamonds.  They're restricted to riders who don't need any permits.  I could be wrong on this but that's my understanding.

There are plenty of young Danes for example who could do well at CL but they all choose Poland because that's where you need to be. So not interested in a Sunday track even if they didn't need permits.

The point is instead of young talent from abroad the 2nd tier should be providing opportunity to develop young British talent. Don't get me wrong there are plenty British youngsters in the current CL but no new ones this season. I think there's about 12 rising stars in the division already. It wouldn't have been a push to keep the original intention of 22. Plus restricting each team to one 8pt+ rider, on the basis there are only about 12 likely to be available, would have evened the sides out.

Regardless the bottom line is that the Diamonds need a c10.00 No1 to be anywhere near the points limit and competitive.  The other six will all more or less maintain their averages if they have a No1 to take the strain in heat 13 and 15.  Bringing in another two 6 pointers is not the answer. BWD will eventually get to about that level if his injury can be healed.

So suggestions of a c10.00 No1 on a postcard to Mr Grant of Brough Park please.

[phillipsr]

45 minutes ago, enotian said:

As far as I am aware the Diamonds promoters don't have a sponsors license so even if they had found a potential newcomer they wouldn't be able to sign for the Diamonds.  They're restricted to riders who don't need any permits.  I could be wrong on this but that's my understanding.

There are plenty of young Danes for example who could do well at CL but they all choose Poland because that's where you need to be. So not interested in a Sunday track even if they didn't need permits.

The point is instead of young talent from abroad the 2nd tier should be providing opportunity to develop young British talent. Don't get me wrong there are plenty British youngsters in the current CL but no new ones this season. I think there's about 12 rising stars in the division already. It wouldn't have been a push to keep the original intention of 22. Plus restricting each team to one 8pt+ rider, on the basis there are only about 12 likely to be available, would have evened the sides out.

Regardless the bottom line is that the Diamonds need a c10.00 No1 to be anywhere near the points limit and competitive.  The other six will all more or less maintain their averages if they have a No1 to take the strain in heat 13 and 15.  Bringing in another two 6 pointers is not the answer. BWD will eventually get to about that level if his injury can be healed.

So suggestions of a c10.00 No1 on a postcard to Mr Grant of Brough Park please.

Why should the rest of the league weaken because Newcastle put together a rubbish side?? The consistent weakening Of teams to the lowest denominator has been one of the biggest issues in the sport and is not a way to increase attendances   

[Jaizer]

1 hour ago, enotian said:

As far as I am aware the Diamonds promoters don't have a sponsors license so even if they had found a potential newcomer they wouldn't be able to sign for the Diamonds.  They're restricted to riders who don't need any permits.  I could be wrong on this but that's my understanding.

There are plenty of young Danes for example who could do well at CL but they all choose Poland because that's where you need to be. So not interested in a Sunday track even if they didn't need permits.

The point is instead of young talent from abroad the 2nd tier should be providing opportunity to develop young British talent. Don't get me wrong there are plenty British youngsters in the current CL but no new ones this season. I think there's about 12 rising stars in the division already. It wouldn't have been a push to keep the original intention of 22. Plus restricting each team to one 8pt+ rider, on the basis there are only about 12 likely to be available, would have evened the sides out.

Regardless the bottom line is that the Diamonds need a c10.00 No1 to be anywhere near the points limit and competitive.  The other six will all more or less maintain their averages if they have a No1 to take the strain in heat 13 and 15.  Bringing in another two 6 pointers is not the answer. BWD will eventually get to about that level if his injury can be healed.

So suggestions of a c10.00 No1 on a postcard to Mr Grant of Brough Park please.

Wouldn't bwd and Congreve need permits?

[enotian]

32 minutes ago, phillipsr said:

Why should the rest of the league weaken because Newcastle put together a rubbish side?? The consistent weakening Of teams to the lowest denominator has been one of the biggest issues in the sport and is not a way to increase attendances   

To make the product better. Especially if you're wanting to sell streaming to neutrals.  Also to create rider supply in excess of demand which will reduce costs.

Your turn to advise why the league should continue as is despite the evidence (ie track closures, falling attendances) that it isnt working.

This isn't about Newcastle who clearly have made mistakes and can't afford to run at this level.  It's about how the sport in the country is unsustainable at present. Eventually more clubs will fold (that's the trend) and the riders demands will increase until eventually all but those prepared to subsidise clubs will cease to exist.

The BSPL know this is a problem.  It's why they introduced the rising star scheme to develop more supply of riders.  They didn't resolve that issue in one season.  

[crescent girl]

23 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

Wouldn't bwd and Congreve need permits?

Bradley probly doesnt, as he was in National League when he first came over.  He'll have some degree of patriality.  If George Congreve is also of British stock and can ride for The Geezers without a permit, might he be found an NDL club to boost his track-time, and confidence, as he battles to make his way up the speedway ladder?