Fromafar Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said: But has there ever been a time where the 1s and 7s in the teams are so far apart ability wise? Sam Masters/Craig Cook/Charles Wright vs George Congreve/Henry Atkins/Nathan Ablitt... It's not a league, it's an open practice... As situations change, certain things need looking at, this includes the race format, stop living in the past!! But that’s Newcastle’s Team building problem.Anybody who looked at Congreve and then looked at his New Zealand results and the standard of riders ,or seen him on Video would see that he was not Championship standard ,yet Granty bring him half way round the World.Granty has made some poor decisions regarding Team building,that’s the bottom line for me. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, enotian said: and replace them with whom? there just aren't enough riders available and that was obvious at the point the 2022 teams building rules were put in place. Birmingham have done well but you wonder how much they're shelling out on Ellis and Vissing. Just to put 7 riders out. Sedgmen, Bates, Keleher, Maybe look for a new EU rider or get in contact with former Diamonds about a return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Diamonds85 said: But most reserves aren't good enough to beat Bewley at Belle Vue, so just because once in a blue moon someone is, doesn't mean all the 99.9% of the other reserves need to be thrown in the deep end too, which creates drawn out races with riders of completely different abilities at different ends of the track... It's insulting to the public... The reserves should race eachother and be challenged to beat the second strings... Not expected to beat number 1s... It ain't gonna happen most the time and it's boring to watch Yeah I get that but look at Flint, Brennan they coped pretty well too, like I say if you're good enough you'll be fine ours aren't. But I think our league should've kept the rising stars but like everything the bspa do they just come up with a plan stick with it for a season and that's it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said: But most reserves aren't good enough to beat Bewley at Belle Vue, so just because once in a blue moon someone is, doesn't mean all the 99.9% of the other reserves need to be thrown in the deep end too, which creates drawn out races with riders of completely different abilities at different ends of the track... It's insulting to the public... The reserves should race eachother and be challenged to beat the second strings... Not expected to beat number 1s... It ain't gonna happen most the time and it's boring to watch Dont say that to Redcar fans as Jason Edwards is fast becoming the star of the show, leading opposition numbers 1’s for fun ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: But that’s Newcastle’s Team building problem.Anybody who looked at Congreve and then looked at his New Zealand results and the standard of riders ,or seen him on Video would see that he was not Championship standard ,yet Granty bring him half way round the World.Granty has made some poor decisions regarding Team building,that’s the bottom line for me. don't disagree but think he's been given a bum steer about building an asset base, hence the signings of Roynon, Wright, Complin and Congreve. Ultimately they'll all revert to BSPL ownership when he folds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 It certainly wasn’t “embarrassing” tonight. If Harris had scored his expected 10 and Complin another 4/5 from his fall and engine problems Newcastle would have won on the night. That said, we desperately need a #1 who will at least score double figures at home (best this season is 6) and a reserve to score at least 3 at home. Right now I don’t care about away defeats. We need to win at home to keep the club going. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: But that’s Newcastle’s Team building problem.Anybody who looked at Congreve and then looked at his New Zealand results and the standard of riders ,or seen him on Video would see that he was not Championship standard ,yet Granty bring him half way round the World.Granty has made some poor decisions regarding Team building,that’s the bottom line for me. Completely agree... He's promised a lot, not really delivered and made some VERY strange decisions... But I'm not allowed to say that because without him there wouldn't be a team at all... Maybe that would be best, go out as legends known for Ole Olsen, Ivan Mauger and Nicki Pedersen, not whimper out known for Danny Phillips, George Congreve and Bradley Wilson Dean, the greatest number 1 of all time... I mean... Just look at who we've got as team manager for christ sakes, could replace him with a plant pot and the same job would be done. No offence Steve, I've known you for years, but you're just as out your depth as George Congreve... I need to log off now before I make too many comments and enemies, goodnight folks. The end of this club started with the snubbing and thrown away attitude towards @TotallyHonestJohn What a shame... I don't think people realise just how much he helped out, and now that's all gone, we can barely stand on two feet... Come on Granty, YOU'RE A BUSINESS MAN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Dont say that to Redcar fans as Jason Edwards is fast becoming the star of the show, leading opposition numbers 1’s for fun ! I seen Edwards at I think the u19 final at Redcar a few seasons ago and he looked a very good prospect then he's got a great style and always looks in control on the bike. I applaud Redcar for going with Jenkins and Edwards this season some of the reserves they'll face will be difficult but great for sticking with both of them. Edited April 17, 2022 by bloom89 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, enotian said: don't disagree but think he's been given a bum steer about building an asset base, hence the signings of Roynon, Wright, Complin and Congreve. Ultimately they'll all revert to BSPL ownership when he folds. Don’t think he listens to advice. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, TTT said: Sedgmen, Bates, Keleher, Maybe look for a new EU rider or get in contact with former Diamonds about a return. More disaster area's. Plus I don't think they can sign permit riders so just Bates. I don't think they'll need to open the back straight to accommodate the extra supports from that one. Not sure which former Diamonds are available to return? Lasse Bjerre, Ludvig Lindgren, Palovaara. Again not sure if they require permits having missed seasons. The promotion have said they are trying but the truth is there just isn't anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy19902006 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Dicko said: I know the diamonds got beat today but you can’t fault the effort by the lads, watching Pickering was value for money on its own but Max’s win over Masters and Pickering was just class, I accept we aren’t going to win many matches but I just like to see speedway at brough and the lads giving their all. I second that, was a thoroughly enjoyable meeting with some good racing. An outside line and riders prepared to go there. Lee Complin was getting back to race pace tonight and was on for a further 5 points had bike issues not came into the equation. He came through the pack and was inside and outside to get through was brilliant to watch then his bike gave up the ghost on 2 occasions. For all the negative folk out there to be honest I don’t think our lads did much wrong tonight, we didn’t get the points needed from no 1 and obviously George is still trying to find his feet. Was a match of circumstances tonight had Complins bikes not gave up he would have scored 8! And if you got 12 from a number 1 (which should at least be expected from home) it would have been a different story and that’s including a number 7 who’s trying to find his way in a new league! Only small negative on my end was the reserve swaps, swapping to give Congreve the easier race still didn’t return any points therefore worked against us, had Complin been left in I think would have returned some points (bike issues aside). Some people need to give their heads a wobble, support the team, support you still have a club and only that way will we get back to what we’ve previously had! Our team and our lads didn’t do much wrong tonight and raced their guts out and even in defeat some of the best racing I’ve seen in 2 years at Brough Park tonight. Edited April 17, 2022 by speedy19902006 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: Don’t think he listens to advice. It's been a bit of an embarrassment since he bought the club he might be a great businessman but some of his speedway decisions leave a lot to be desired, the managerial merry go round before last season and it also seems he's not the best at building speedway teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, speedy19902006 said: I second that, was a thoroughly enjoyable meeting with some good racing. An outside line and riders prepared to go there. Lee Complin was getting back to race pace tonight and was on for 5 points had bike issues not came into the equation. He came through the pack and was inside and outside to get through was brilliant to watch then his bike gave up the ghost. For all the negative folk out there to be honest I don’t think our lads did much wrong tonight, we didn’t get the points needed from no 1 and obviously George is still trying to find his feet. Was a match of circumstances tonight had Complins bikes not gave up he would have scored 8! And if you got 12 from a number 1 (which should at least be expected from home) it would have been a different story and that’s including a number 7 who’s trying to find his way in a new league! Only small negative on my end was the reserve swaps, swapping to give Congreve the easier race still didn’t return any points therefore worked against us, had Complin been left in I think would have returned some points (bike issues aside). Some people need to give their heads a wobble, support the team, support you still have a club and only that way will we get back to what we’ve previously had! Our team and our lads didn’t do much wrong tonight and raced their guts out and even in defeat some of the best racing I’ve seen in 2 years at Brough Park tonight. It's alright saying if we'd got 12 from Harris we didn't we got maybe what BWD would've got and if Complin hadn't retired he would've got 8 he didn't either. That's like saying if Clegg had made the gate 5 times he would've got a 15 point max... facts are he didn't. The simple fact is the team is just not good enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy19902006 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, bloom89 said: It's alright saying if we'd got 12 from Harris we didn't we got maybe what BWD would've got and if Complin hadn't retired he would've got 8 he didn't either. That's like saying if Clegg had made the gate 5 times he would've got a 15 point max... facts are he didn't. The simple fact is the team is just not good enough. We’re 3 home meetings in, and tonight being the first wheels spun in anger, we were on pace, and mixing it for the most part. People are shouting for change - the lads who ride and belong to Newcastle tonight done us proud and were great to watch. Apart from a few mechanical issues the Newcastle riders were spot on. Yes we need points from number 1 - we haven’t had that so far including tonight (on what should have been a strong guest), stick fire power on that team and it’s a totally different story. No wholesale change needed at all maybe a slight tweak and we’ll be tough to beat at home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy19902006 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, bloom89 said: It's alright saying if we'd got 12 from Harris we didn't we got maybe what BWD would've got and if Complin hadn't retired he would've got 8 he didn't either. That's like saying if Clegg had made the gate 5 times he would've got a 15 point max... facts are he didn't. The simple fact is the team is just not good enough. Oh and for hypotheticals on what was my analysis of tonight,,, nothing more hypothetical about changing teams and riders and guessing what their mythical scores may be in future… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, speedy19902006 said: We’re 3 home meetings in, and tonight being the first wheels spun in anger, we were on pace, and mixing it for the most part. People are shouting for change - the lads who ride and belong to Newcastle tonight done us proud and were great to watch. Apart from a few mechanical issues the Newcastle riders were spot on. Yes we need points from number 1 - we haven’t had that so far including tonight (on what should have been a strong guest), stick fire power on that team and it’s a totally different story. No wholesale change needed at all maybe a slight tweak and we’ll be tough to beat at home. No one is really calling for a wholesale changes, most people agree that Max, James, Matty, Paul and Lee are good... It's the other two who need replacing. A little tweak, we need a new number 1 anyway... And to save money or raise money for a big hitting number 1, something from left field you know, bring in the much cheaper and better Ben Morley or even Archie (even though he's no where near ready) just to get a bit of top end firepower... George ain't scoring anything anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Diamonds85 said: Clearly the points limit needs reducing, to reduce the 'standard' of riders in this league, but pushing the goal post of rider standard together to allow the standard of the RACING to improve, I would watch 2 newbies racing eachother, as long as it was entertaining and close, passes, who remembers those? It will also allow enough riders for each team to build to the limit... Also, the race format desperately needs looking at. The 6s and 7s should not be racing against the 1s and 5s. The reserves challenging races should be against the other teams second strings at most... George Congreve vs Sam Masters is an insult to the public imo... I can't be the only one to think this, surely? But these changes are all down to the powers of the sport... Who apparently have nothing to do with the embarrassing state of the sport these days Should use the Elite League's "fast track" format, reserves didn't meet heat leaders in that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 minute ago, speedy19902006 said: We’re 3 home meetings in, and tonight being the first wheels spun in anger, we were on pace, and mixing it for the most part. People are shouting for change - the lads who ride and belong to Newcastle tonight done us proud and were great to watch. Apart from a few mechanical issues the Newcastle riders were spot on. Yes we need points from number 1 - we haven’t had that so far including tonight (on what should have been a strong guest), stick fire power on that team and it’s a totally different story. No wholesale change needed at all maybe a slight tweak and we’ll be tough to beat at home. Trouble is that’s the Team that Granty thinks is OK.Nobody is criticising the effort the lads are putting in.BWD is never a No1. for starters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 Just now, szkocjasid said: Should use the Elite League's "fast track" format, reserves didn't meet heat leaders in that! Yes... I have a race format that I've put together where the races are much closer than they currently are. If I knew how to share it here I would, but there's a limit to what it allows me to send... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) As pointed out, nobody is criticising any of the lads (even George, you can see he's giving it his all, he's just not ready yet) it's just the construction that is not good enough and ultimately that is down to not enough riders being available for the current rules in place... And no out of the box thinking, like Plymouth did last season... Edited April 17, 2022 by Diamonds85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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