HGould Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Lakeside were never supposed to have Fridays as their official race night, it was supposed to be Saturday, but Cook had the management over when he released his fixtures. Hence the back lash. so one ex Management Committee Chairman screwing another over - you couldn't make it up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 50 minutes ago, Lord Skid said: Was Wilson Dean actually fit when he signed for this season? Well he was fighting fit. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 53 minutes ago, Jaizer said: Looking at the mess that was the u21 semi final yesterday, do you think any of those riders not currently attached are anywhere near champ level? As that's the riders your be promoting Worth bearing in mind the track it was held on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Worth bearing in mind the track it was held on. One of few tracks never been to, but when reading things like Bickley winning by half a lap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan555 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Lord Skid said: Was Wilson Dean actually fit when he signed for this season? Think it’s more down to the fact he averaged exactly 6.00 when he last rode in the championship and people expect him to not ride professional speedway for 2 years and then turn into an 8.5 average number 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 Just now, Jaizer said: One of few tracks never been to, but when reading things like Bickley winning by half a lap... I used to go regularly 2006-08 when they were second division and sporadically before that, it's a lovely little track when prepared well, small but not turn-yourself-inside-out tight. Unfortunately since then its often resembled a ploughed field from what I've heard and seen. Used to do amazing fish and chips too, all in the middle of nowhere surrounded by trees and fields. Was a cracking Sunday afternoon out in the right weather. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Bellers101 said: What about the credibility of the sport? Teams shouldn't be allowed to use guests for a lengthy period You should know by now speedway and creditability don't go together 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 hour ago, geoff100 said: Add workington to that ! Be careful Geoff you will upset the scunny fans again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, Neila said: Be careful Geoff you will upset the scunny fans again Hopefully just one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, Neila said: You should know by now speedway and creditability don't go together Well not in GB anyway but I live in hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Jaizer said: Looking at the mess that was the u21 semi final yesterday, do you think any of those riders not currently attached are anywhere near champ level? As that's the riders your be promoting Yes, but the top 10 under 21's weren't in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, leander said: Yes, but the top 10 under 21's weren't in it. Yes, but the top 10 already have championship clubs. The point made was that the RS scheme should've been expanded. My point is that those below Bickley, Edwards and Atkins would've been the ones coming up and they are nowhere near ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandking072 Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 Would anyone have the race times for this meeting? Not all of them on the updates site. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 On 4/11/2022 at 8:24 PM, Jaizer said: Yes, but the top 10 already have championship clubs. The point made was that the RS scheme should've been expanded. My point is that those below Bickley, Edwards and Atkins would've been the ones coming up and they are nowhere near ready But also remember to add riders like Jack Smith, Luke Crang, Greg Blair etc, who would also qualify as rising stars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: But also remember to add riders like Jack Smith, Luke Crang, Greg Blair etc, who would also qualify as rising stars! All of whom proved last season not up to championship level. Throw in jpb into that as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippy22 Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Jaizer said: All of whom proved last season not up to championship level. Throw in jpb into that as well The problem at the moment, is that the gap between the Premier League & Championship is too small, and the gap between the Championship & National League is too large. With Premier heat leaders riding in the championship, only the very talented riders stepping up from the National League stand a chance. The Championship standard should be more like the Newcastle team this year, which would give riders similar to those above, a chance to score some points and progress. Also, doubling up needs to be gradually reduced, initially only allowing riders who do not ride in any overseas leagues to double up. Imagine in the 1970's allowing top first division riders to ride in the second division !! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, shippy22 said: The problem at the moment, is that the gap between the Premier League & Championship is too small, and the gap between the Championship & National League is too large. With Premier heat leaders riding in the championship, only the very talented riders stepping up from the National League stand a chance. The Championship standard should be more like the Newcastle team this year, which would give riders similar to those above, a chance to score some points and progress. Also, doubling up needs to be gradually reduced, initially only allowing riders who do not ride in any overseas leagues to double up. Imagine in the 1970's allowing top first division riders to ride in the second division !! I keep seeing that argument but to my mind the 2nd tier isn't as strong as for example the late 90s and riders came through aplenty in those days. Shouldn't it be the talented riders that can make a go of it? 70s before my time tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, shippy22 said: The problem at the moment, is that the gap between the Premier League & Championship is too small, and the gap between the Championship & National League is too large. With Premier heat leaders riding in the championship, only the very talented riders stepping up from the National League stand a chance. The Championship standard should be more like the Newcastle team this year, which would give riders similar to those above, a chance to score some points and progress. Also, doubling up needs to be gradually reduced, initially only allowing riders who do not ride in any overseas leagues to double up. Imagine in the 1970's allowing top first division riders to ride in the second division !! I think the reality is there should only be two divisions. Not many might agree but I think that the current Premiership is a decent product based on the TV matches I've watched only. But only six clubs is an issue. At least a couple of CL clubs could afford to compete at that level and sourcing 14 additional riders shouldn't dilute the product too much. The CL should become a sustainable hybrid between the current CL and NL. Used as a platform to progress British youngsters who would be the only riders allowed to ride in both divisions. With the current 4 star riders being reserves in the PL and Heat leaders in the CL. Current CL 2nd strings would become Heat Leaders (i.e. Roynon, Wright, Wethers) with any non UK riders also being Heat leaders. With the reserve births restricted to riders of limited CL experience and 2nd string for those riders with CL experience you haven't achieved Heat leader status. You can then see the career path for a youngster. SGP3, CL reserve, CL 2nd string, CL Heat Leader/PL reserve, PL 2nd string, PL Heat Leader/International rider, SGP. Some will progress more quickly than others, not all will make the grade but the opportunities should be there. And clubs would be incentivised to develop young riders with the overall aim of having British riders competing and winning on the World stage, which is still the best way of getting wider media coverage of the sport. At a more sustainable level perhaps the likes of IoW and Mildenhall could join the CL and it would certainly be easier for new entrants (Workington, Coventry, Kent) to join. Of course the problem is how do the current plethora of Double Uppers maintain their income levels? Without them increasing their demands on PL clubs? My suggestion is to run a stand alone 4TT league akin to the Hundred in cricket. Which would form the content for the BSN. Each match streamed would feature 3 away teams which should increase viewer numbers. You could even include clubs representing defunct tracks (Falcon's, Viking's, Bee's, Wasps, Heathens) to attract those lapsed supporters. There were only 2 divisions in the 70's and that produced an incredible amount of British talent because the opportunities were there with the number of tracks in operation. Now there are less tracks a more structured career path is required. The current CL doesn't really provide those opportunities. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 57 minutes ago, Jaizer said: I keep seeing that argument but to my mind the 2nd tier isn't as strong as for example the late 90s and riders came through aplenty in those days. Shouldn't it be the talented riders that can make a go of it? 70s before my time tbh that's right but the standard of the top division is much reduced from that era as few World Stars compete whereas in the 90's they nearly all rode in the British/Elite league. So whilst the 2nd division standard is reduced the gap between the divisions is much closer. Which I think was a deliberate move by the promoters to encourage promotion and relegation between the two divisions which just never transpired. Not sure the 90's produced British riders aplenty? Two world champs and no world cups?? Hardly any SGP round winners. Appreciate it's before your time but compared to the 70's the 90's would be considered as a a barren spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, enotian said: that's right but the standard of the top division is much reduced from that era as few World Stars compete whereas in the 90's they nearly all rode in the British/Elite league. So whilst the 2nd division standard is reduced the gap between the divisions is much closer. Which I think was a deliberate move by the promoters to encourage promotion and relegation between the two divisions which just never transpired. Not sure the 90's produced British riders aplenty? Two world champs and no world cups?? Hardly any SGP round winners. Appreciate it's before your time but compared to the 70's the 90's would be considered as a a barren spell. I'm not necessarily meaning world stars there were certainly plenty kids came through at 2nd string/ good reserve level. That Peterborough side for example had Howe, Allen, stead. Lee Richardson and Scott Nichols were breaking through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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