IainB Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, Skodaman said: I did not see the Brummies match and therefore can't comment. Last nights match was not entertaining other than a coule of races. Last weeks match was more entertaining despite the score. The last heat was pretty special though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Monster Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 2 hours ago, bloom89 said: Lindgren had a couple of away tracks he was ok at the others he was useless. IMO with the experience Clegg has he shouldn't be scoring zero anywhere. Only a puncture stopped Cleggy from scoring a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HectorRacing Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 Wont it be hard to find riders currently? Since the seasons not really began? plus we are on a budget, so gotta make do. I will still to go all home games, we can just hope bwd/etc all find their way again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: If these are the types of teams we can put together based on our budget, we should be going National League instead until we find more budget, we clearly can't afford the Championship now?? Racing is better in the NL anyway Unless all Championship teams build to Newcastle strength & have a clear gap between Prem & Champ! Also make it easier for NDL riders to step up! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Unless all Championship teams build to Newcastle strength & have a clear gap between Prem & Champ! Also make it easier for NDL riders to step up! That’s the thing,premier and championship leagues are all the same riders with a different bib on.there’s no such thing as “elite” anymore.1 big league (even ifs split into north &south) and ndl league is the way to go surely … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, bigred said: That’s the thing,premier and championship leagues are all the same riders with a different bib on.there’s no such thing as “elite” anymore.1 big league (even ifs split into north &south) and ndl league is the way to go surely … We don't have enough available riders for one league 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Skodaman said: I did not see the Brummies match and therefore can't comment. Last nights match was not entertaining other than a coule of races. Last weeks match was more entertaining despite the score. There were a few decent races last night especially with Paul Starke and Kyle howarth. I enjoyed myself regardless of the score.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: If these are the types of teams we can put together based on our budget, we should be going National League instead until we find more budget, we clearly can't afford the Championship now?? Racing is better in the NL anyway Indeed .. Common sense isnt it? But whilst UK Speedway ludicrously allows clubs to "pick and choose" which league they want to race in then it simply will carry on with out of their depth teams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 If there is a maximum points limit for the top three riders in any team, there should be a minimum points level too. But there would also need to be some kind of payment assurance in place for these riders, to help counter reluctance to sign with certain clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Al said: If there is a maximum points limit for the top three riders in any team, there should be a minimum points level too. But there would also need to be some kind of payment assurance in place for these riders, to help counter reluctance to sign with certain clubs. It’s all well and good saying these secondary limits within the overall team limits should be implemented but the reality is that the likes of Newcastle and Brum came to the team building party late, since their priority was to keep their club in business. Until this is assured, team planning cannot even start. Whilst we all want as many teams as possible in the sport, why should the better run/supported clubs be held back from securing the services of the best riders early, in a climate where there is a shortage of riders, when some clubs are going to the eleventh hour before confirming that they will go to the tapes for the upcoming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: It’s all well and good saying these secondary limits within the overall team limits should be implemented but the reality is that the likes of Newcastle and Brum came to the team building party late, since their priority was to keep their club in business. Until this is assured, team planning cannot even start. Whilst we all want as many teams as possible in the sport, why should the better run/supported clubs be held back from securing the services of the best riders early, in a climate where there is a shortage of riders, when some clubs are going to the eleventh hour before confirming that they will go to the tapes for the upcoming season. because they'd make private arrangements 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Teromaafan said: It’s all well and good saying these secondary limits within the overall team limits should be implemented but the reality is that the likes of Newcastle and Brum came to the team building party late, since their priority was to keep their club in business. Until this is assured, team planning cannot even start. Whilst we all want as many teams as possible in the sport, why should the better run/supported clubs be held back from securing the services of the best riders early, in a climate where there is a shortage of riders, when some clubs are going to the eleventh hour before confirming that they will go to the tapes for the upcoming season. Because you want to be entertained by watching two teams who have at least a realistic chance of being at least competitive. Unless you're entertained by whitewashes against cannon fodder. If you think it through restricting teams to one rider over 8.00 points at the start of the season results in supply exceeding demand. Which means every team might benefit from reduced demands from those no1's. The richest teams will still secure the best no1 riders and inevitably the best teams but at least they'll face competitive opposition. Or maybe we should just cut out the middle man and hold an auction to decide who pays most to win a title? Would avoid losing money on those zero entertainment matches against woefully weak opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Teromaafan said: It’s all well and good saying these secondary limits within the overall team limits should be implemented but the reality is that the likes of Newcastle and Brum came to the team building party late, since their priority was to keep their club in business. Until this is assured, team planning cannot even start. Whilst we all want as many teams as possible in the sport, why should the better run/supported clubs be held back from securing the services of the best riders early, in a climate where there is a shortage of riders, when some clubs are going to the eleventh hour before confirming that they will go to the tapes for the upcoming season. UK Speedway is unique in that you basically choose your own level to compete in... You get hardly any publicity for winning anything and there is no major financial reward for victory... In fact. Success can (and has), helped close tracks down... There is no promotion or relegation meaning that many meetings become pretty much 'dead rubbers' as we hit mid season, given it is often clear by then who will qualify for the play offs and who won't... And. Getting beat regularly at home can dissuade home fans from attending but similarly, hammering teams regularly at home can also have the same negative impact to crowd levels,, especially when play off positions are virtually assured months out, and weak opposition are in town... Therefore. Having close racing throughout a meeting, and keeping scores close enough to remain "interesting" has to be the major priority, and the only way to do that is equally share out those riders who make the main difference to both the racing standard and the score line, ie. The Heat Leaders.. And if that means a deadline in place of say December for each team to say they will run then so be it, and should they come to the table after that then they run NDL... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 A friend of mine who usually takes 5 people to a meeting gave it a miss on Saturday because they were bored with the one-sidedness of the the previous meetings. She will now pick and choose which meetings to watch for entertainment and I'm sure there's a few more like this. Not Leicesters fault obviously but it does highlight the need for the league to be competitive to keep people interested 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 3 hours ago, mikebv said: UK Speedway is unique in that you basically choose your own level to compete in... You get hardly any publicity for winning anything and there is no major financial reward for victory... In fact. Success can (and has), helped close tracks down... There is no promotion or relegation meaning that many meetings become pretty much 'dead rubbers' as we hit mid season, given it is often clear by then who will qualify for the play offs and who won't... And. Getting beat regularly at home can dissuade home fans from attending but similarly, hammering teams regularly at home can also have the same negative impact to crowd levels,, especially when play off positions are virtually assured months out, and weak opposition are in town... Therefore. Having close racing throughout a meeting, and keeping scores close enough to remain "interesting" has to be the major priority, and the only way to do that is equally share out those riders who make the main difference to both the racing standard and the score line, ie. The Heat Leaders.. And if that means a deadline in place of say December for each team to say they will run then so be it, and should they come to the table after that then they run NDL... You make some good points but the best is close and good racing throughout the meeting. Spectators pay to be entertained with real racing not trapping competitions and 4 laps of follow the leader. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaizer Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 10 hours ago, enotian said: Because you want to be entertained by watching two teams who have at least a realistic chance of being at least competitive. Unless you're entertained by whitewashes against cannon fodder. If you think it through restricting teams to one rider over 8.00 points at the start of the season results in supply exceeding demand. Which means every team might benefit from reduced demands from those no1's. The richest teams will still secure the best no1 riders and inevitably the best teams but at least they'll face competitive opposition. Or maybe we should just cut out the middle man and hold an auction to decide who pays most to win a title? Would avoid losing money on those zero entertainment matches against woefully weak opposition. What's the incentive for riders to improve beyond an 8 point average? What you'll have in that situation is average manipulation by riders as the ones who are close to the 8 know they'll be out a job the next season. I don't think it solves anything tbh, as powers that be must think too as scrapped it in prem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 hour ago, The Dog said: A friend of mine who usually takes 5 people to a meeting gave it a miss on Saturday because they were bored with the one-sidedness of the the previous meetings. She will now pick and choose which meetings to watch for entertainment and I'm sure there's a few more like this. Not Leicesters fault obviously but it does highlight the need for the league to be competitive to keep people interested It's difficult to know what your friend is looking for then... The match against Scunny had some of the best racing I've seen at BP in years, if she wasn't entertained by that I suspect she doesn't like Speedway and prefers maths 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, iainb said: It's difficult to know what your friend is looking for then... The match against Scunny had some of the best racing I've seen at BP in years, if she wasn't entertained by that I suspect she doesn't like Speedway and prefers maths I'll pass on your comments. Another 5 lost then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, The Dog said: I'll pass on your comments. Another 5 lost then Doggy, what is she looking for from Speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 A lot of people on this thread talking about rule changes to make meetings closer. I don't think changing the rules is the answer, there are enough already. You can't just change rules to cover up for bad businesses making bad decisions. they all have the same opportunity at the start of the year. Guess what, some of them are better at it than others. Equality of opportunity I'm all for, but some here want equality of outcome. If you've built a rubbish team with rubbish riders who don't entertain, that's your fault and your business will suffer. But if you start manipulating as much as some want to on here, you won't make the product any better. What are you gonna do next, re run a race because one rider missed the start and it wasn't very entertaining? If riders don't want to ride for a club, find out why they don't want to, and make it attractive. If you've got a poor track, change it. If you pay poor wages late, change it. If you want to run the club better, change it. If you want more customers, provide better value. Sure we all want fantastic racing every race, but these complaints are from the same people who think the racing 30-40 years ago was fantastic with loads of entertainment. Go watch some of the YouTube meetings from back then, most were absolute borefests. We just choose to remember the good things about the past, not the bad. Some of the clubs in this league are where they are because of how they choose to run, there will always be the have's and the have nots. We've had wage caps and max numbers of 8.00pt + riders before, they don't work, because the promotors themselves go against there own rules within a week of signing them off. And no it isn't always the usual suspects. I don't think the answer is to manipulate the rules even more to produce the 'perfect meeting' Most home fans will have gone home happy enough. The home promotion less so after paying out a lot of points money. You can't just bring everything down to the lowest level all the time or we end up in a cess pit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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