Redcar v Plymouth

[phillipsr]

21 minutes ago, GregoryM said:

 

Roynon was full of praise, admiration, and respect for Bomber - something not shared, from what Jaizer tells us above, by the Glasgow fans!!

I do know what he means about the Bomber lovefest though. I've always enjoyed watching Bomber ride, but wouldn't go overboard as some do.

There have been plenty of riders who you'd hoped would 'miss-the-gate' 'coz you know you're then in for a real race. The last few years, for instance, for us at Belle Vue we've had Dan Bewley missing the start and giving us lap after lap of pure effort to pass. Like even Bomber, not successful every time.  And I've seen Scott Nicholls, particularly on the smaller tracks, work his way through to the front countless times - but that hasn't seemingly attracted the same gushing remarks that some commentators reserve for Bomber.

Ah right thank you.. like some on here ive never really liked Harris and dont understand the fuss around him as a rider!! It does annoy when i see commentators going overboard 

[wtf]

18 hours ago, Ghosty said:

I have no problems with Gary personally & consider him a mate!  But issues can be debated surely, tell me has Neil Middleditch or Peter Adams used similar tactics with their successes?

Sure you can debate the issue, Managers choose to manage in different ways, they set their teams up in different ways. Garry has often aimed for a 6 man team with a strong reserve at all times and almost a sacrificial reserve who has an opportunity to make a statement with no pressure on them. Most of his successful teams have been set up that way. Others do things differently, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Middlo for example has historically had little or no input into team selection at Poole. He managed what Matt gave him. What I will say though is Garry puts more thought into what happens in a meeting and making changes to effect an outcome, than pretty much anyone else I've worked with and that includes the other two managers you mentioned. Admittedly Garry is not big on "group hugs" and blowing sunshine up peoples backsides, some others are. But I would class him as one of, if not the, most successful Team Manager, in the last decade at 2nd division level. He's not everyone's cup of tea for sure, but everything he does has had a lot of thought gone into it. You can't please everyone and sometimes there are casualties along the way. But this is PROFESSIONAL sport. these people are getting paid. You can't just demand to enjoy your job every day and never have to do stuff you don't want to. If you have a set back, sometimes you learn more from that and others around you learn more from how you react. Do you bounce back or do you sulk?

In the past I know the sacrificial reserves have had a good guarantee at meetings, so they know they will be paid at least a certain fee whatever points they score. If not, then maybe they need to learn about contracts and how to negotiate them.  I get it, it's easy sometimes for kids and parents to get a bit starry eyed with a professional contract, but there's plenty of help and advice out there.

But this is a business first and foremost, it has a job to do, and has someone in place to achieve that objective. If the goal is to keep everyone happy at all times, then maybe Garry isn't your man. But I'm guessing the same can be said of most successful managers. John Campbell at Edinburgh certainly isn't one for keeping it warm and fluffy and being friends with everyone, but in the last decade he's probably the main challenger to Garry as being the most successful TM in the 2nd tier.

[lewy]

57 minutes ago, wtf said:

Sure you can debate the issue, Managers choose to manage in different ways, they set their teams up in different ways. Garry has often aimed for a 6 man team with a strong reserve at all times and almost a sacrificial reserve who has an opportunity to make a statement with no pressure on them. Most of his successful teams have been set up that way. Others do things differently, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Middlo for example has historically had little or no input into team selection at Poole. He managed what Matt gave him. What I will say though is Garry puts more thought into what happens in a meeting and making changes to effect an outcome, than pretty much anyone else I've worked with and that includes the other two managers you mentioned. Admittedly Garry is not big on "group hugs" and blowing sunshine up peoples backsides, some others are. But I would class him as one of, if not the, most successful Team Manager, in the last decade at 2nd division level. He's not everyone's cup of tea for sure, but everything he does has had a lot of thought gone into it. You can't please everyone and sometimes there are casualties along the way. But this is PROFESSIONAL sport. these people are getting paid. You can't just demand to enjoy your job every day and never have to do stuff you don't want to. If you have a set back, sometimes you learn more from that and others around you learn more from how you react. Do you bounce back or do you sulk?

In the past I know the sacrificial reserves have had a good guarantee at meetings, so they know they will be paid at least a certain fee whatever points they score. If not, then maybe they need to learn about contracts and how to negotiate them.  I get it, it's easy sometimes for kids and parents to get a bit starry eyed with a professional contract, but there's plenty of help and advice out there.

But this is a business first and foremost, it has a job to do, and has someone in place to achieve that objective. If the goal is to keep everyone happy at all times, then maybe Garry isn't your man. But I'm guessing the same can be said of most successful managers. John Campbell at Edinburgh certainly isn't one for keeping it warm and fluffy and being friends with everyone, but in the last decade he's probably the main challenger to Garry as being the most successful TM in the 2nd tier.

Great Post. 

[Creekmoor Pirate]

5 hours ago, wtf said:

Sure you can debate the issue, Managers choose to manage in different ways, they set their teams up in different ways. Garry has often aimed for a 6 man team with a strong reserve at all times and almost a sacrificial reserve who has an opportunity to make a statement with no pressure on them. Most of his successful teams have been set up that way. Others do things differently, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Middlo for example has historically had little or no input into team selection at Poole. He managed what Matt gave him. What I will say though is Garry puts more thought into what happens in a meeting and making changes to effect an outcome, than pretty much anyone else I've worked with and that includes the other two managers you mentioned. Admittedly Garry is not big on "group hugs" and blowing sunshine up peoples backsides, some others are. But I would class him as one of, if not the, most successful Team Manager, in the last decade at 2nd division level. He's not everyone's cup of tea for sure, but everything he does has had a lot of thought gone into it. You can't please everyone and sometimes there are casualties along the way. But this is PROFESSIONAL sport. these people are getting paid. You can't just demand to enjoy your job every day and never have to do stuff you don't want to. If you have a set back, sometimes you learn more from that and others around you learn more from how you react. Do you bounce back or do you sulk?

In the past I know the sacrificial reserves have had a good guarantee at meetings, so they know they will be paid at least a certain fee whatever points they score. If not, then maybe they need to learn about contracts and how to negotiate them.  I get it, it's easy sometimes for kids and parents to get a bit starry eyed with a professional contract, but there's plenty of help and advice out there.

But this is a business first and foremost, it has a job to do, and has someone in place to achieve that objective. If the goal is to keep everyone happy at all times, then maybe Garry isn't your man. But I'm guessing the same can be said of most successful managers. John Campbell at Edinburgh certainly isn't one for keeping it warm and fluffy and being friends with everyone, but in the last decade he's probably the main challenger to Garry as being the most successful TM in the 2nd tier.

Great post 

[szkocjasid]

On 4/8/2022 at 7:49 PM, Noelinho said:

From my distance of 155 miles, it looked like Riss took out Gilkes’ wheel there.

 

On 4/8/2022 at 7:51 PM, torpointfanatic22 said:

I'm further away and saw Riss take him out. Woeful refereeing 

 

On 4/8/2022 at 7:54 PM, tyke said:

Ridiculous decision. Obviously the ref  thought Gilkes just threw the bike on the deck while leading 

 

On 4/8/2022 at 7:57 PM, Cookiefan said:

Agree, decision from ref was Shocking,  Riss took Gilkes out

Just watching this now, first thought was that Gilkes fell before Riss went into the bend?

Shame they never showed a replay from another view!

Edited March 12, 2023 by szkocjasid

[szkocjasid]

On 4/8/2022 at 8:20 PM, torpointfanatic22 said:

Wow, now he's given Kerr the win when Bomber got him. 

 

On 4/8/2022 at 8:20 PM, iainb said:

Another shocker from the ref! Bomber clearly won that!

 

On 4/8/2022 at 8:21 PM, Cookiefan said:

Ref needs sacked, Bomber got that

 

On 4/8/2022 at 8:27 PM, HGould said:

Well it's on global live stream. No reason why they can't go down the VAR route us there? Two shocking decisions could be easily overturned

The view from the stream was based on the first bend so it was impossible to tell who got that imo.

Neither decision has been easy for me, so can't use VAR unless there's multiple cameras showing the action!

[Noelinho]

Harris won and Gilkes was taken out. I just watched it back again and it’s clear as day!

You can easily see Harris won by just pausing the video at the line.

[szkocjasid]

On 4/8/2022 at 8:48 PM, Noelinho said:

First bend and the ref chooses to exclude. What’s he got against Plymouth?

Just seen this heat, Gilkes tried to come across from grid 4 & bumped into Harris, I guess the ref could have decided he wasn't far enough in front to make such a move & excluded him - but I can't see how Harris was at fault - he was just going round the corner!

I guess you could argue as two Plymouth riders clashed, it would be unfair on Redcar to allow an all 4?

Having watched it a second time I'd say all 4, but if you have to exclude a Plymouth rider, it would be Gilkes for me!

[szkocjasid]

On 4/8/2022 at 9:33 PM, bruno said:

Doesn't that mean Plymouth get a point, disappointing commentators didn't realise it

Totally agree with you, they should know the league points scoring rules!

[arnieg]

10 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Totally agree with you, they should know the league points scoring rules!

But the frequency with which they change (and having different rules for different leagues) doesn't help.