Redcar v Plymouth

[SteveLyric2]

2 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Extremely disrespectful to the rest of the Plymouth team who made you look a bit silly by getting a point.

Yes respect to the Gladiators. Honestly didn't think they would perform after their 2 meetings against Poole this week. Thats all I could base my opinion on.

Edited April 9, 2022 by Skidder1

[sidewinder]

2 hours ago, Nassa10 said:

Kerr beat Harris, I had the best view in the house

I would concur with that. I was stood next to you, 2 foot past the line Bomber was in front. I would have been very disappointed, if Kerr had not got the verdict.

[GregoryM]

14 hours ago, bruno said:

Doesn't that mean Plymouth get a point, disappointing commentators didn't realise it

Yes, it completely bypassed them both!!

Indeed, Olly Allen, commented that the heat 15 Plymouth 5-1 was ‘too little too late’. Yes, for a win or a draw (and Plymouth might well have had either) – but certainly not in order to go home with what might prove to be a crucial point at final league table time.

As much as I’m not their biggest fan, Nigel and Kelvin would have been all over the fact pre-race that a heat 15 5-1 would send Plymouth home with a league point.

I don’t want to be too harsh on the commentators as they ‘bed-in’, but surely the joint British team manager at least ought to know how the league points scoring system works?

[GregoryM]

13 hours ago, Jaizer said:

Just catching up on tonight's meeting..one heat in fed up of the Harris lovefest already. They're needing to knock that on head, 2 weeks in a row now.

Agree next week's meeting doesn't strike me as great choice

You'd not have enjoyed Adam Roynon's interview then??

[Jaizer]

19 minutes ago, GregoryM said:

You'd not have enjoyed Adam Roynon's interview then??

Glasgow fans have a different opinion on Harris to apparently every other team in the UK!! Enjoyed the bit at the end of his interview, that made me chuckle

[Ghosty]

As long as the Gladiators gel as a team they will get the results home & away.

BUT PLEASE can someone (Mark Phillips?) stop Gary May swapping the reserves race after race. 

It gains nothing putting your weakest reserve in the harder races will just demoralise him. This happened @ Somerset, riders then retired & the replacements were worse!

If a rider is not performing this team should have enough knowledge & knowhow to encourage those riders under performing.

Here's looking forward to the rest of 2022. 

[Noelinho]

5 hours ago, GregoryM said:

I don’t want to be too harsh on the commentators as they ‘bed-in’, but surely the joint British team manager at least ought to know how the league points scoring system works?

In the Berwick meeting, he openly asked if heat 8 was a protected heat. I was a bit surprised he wouldn’t know for sure.

[phillipsr]

9 hours ago, GregoryM said:

You'd not have enjoyed Adam Roynon's interview then??

What did he say? 

[szkocjasid]

11 hours ago, Ghosty said:

As long as the Gladiators gel as a team they will get the results home & away.

BUT PLEASE can someone (Mark Phillips?) stop Gary May swapping the reserves race after race. 

It gains nothing putting your weakest reserve in the harder races will just demoralise him. This happened @ Somerset, riders then retired & the replacements were worse!

If a rider is not performing this team should have enough knowledge & knowhow to encourage those riders under performing.

Here's looking forward to the rest of 2022. 

Looked what happened to Jason Edwards, he was given the easier number 7 spot & scored more points than his first meeting. Also didn't hinder Jordan Jenkins racing in the tougher number 6 spot!

[Catalan]

18 hours ago, Ghosty said:

As long as the Gladiators gel as a team they will get the results home & away.

BUT PLEASE can someone (Mark Phillips?) stop Gary May swapping the reserves race after race. 

It gains nothing putting your weakest reserve in the harder races will just demoralise him. This happened @ Somerset, riders then retired & the replacements were worse!

If a rider is not performing this team should have enough knowledge & knowhow to encourage those riders under performing.

Here's looking forward to the rest of 2022. 

Surely a team managers job is to win a meeting, if it means swapping reserves then so be it.

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

Any legal tactics to try and win a meeting should be applauded

[SteveLyric2]

23 hours ago, GregoryM said:

Yes, it completely bypassed them both!!

Indeed, Olly Allen, commented that the heat 15 Plymouth 5-1 was ‘too little too late’. Yes, for a win or a draw (and Plymouth might well have had either) – but certainly not in order to go home with what might prove to be a crucial point at final league table time.

As much as I’m not their biggest fan, Nigel and Kelvin would have been all over the fact pre-race that a heat 15 5-1 would send Plymouth home with a league point.

I don’t want to be too harsh on the commentators as they ‘bed-in’, but surely the joint British team manager at least ought to know how the league points scoring system works?

You have to remember that the racing rules for Team GB meetings are different to those in the League.

[Ghosty]

6 hours ago, sugarray said:

Surely a team managers job is to win a meeting, if it means swapping reserves then so be it.

 

Also a team managers job to support, advise & encourage his team. If riders quit & their replacement are sh£te how do you gain?  British speedway may loose riders they currently can't afford too.  

[Ghosty]

13 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Looked what happened to Jason Edwards, he was given the easier number 7 spot & scored more points than his first meeting. Also didn't hinder Jordan Jenkins racing in the tougher number 6 spot!

By all means select your team riding order to produce the best results. My gripe is constant dropping/swapping riders during the meeting & the effect it can have on the lesser team members. 

[gazzac]

I've always thought unless r/r comes into play let both reserves have their first 3 programmed rides as per their starting number and then see what's what , who's going best etc.

Edited April 10, 2022 by gazzac

[Catalan]

22 minutes ago, gazzac said:

I've always thought unless r/r comes into play let both reserves have their first 3 programmed rides as per their starting number and then see what's what , who's going best etc.

Luckily you aren't a team manager then

[wtf]

On 4/9/2022 at 12:25 PM, Ghosty said:

As long as the Gladiators gel as a team they will get the results home & away.

BUT PLEASE can someone (Mark Phillips?) stop Gary May swapping the reserves race after race. 

It gains nothing putting your weakest reserve in the harder races will just demoralise him. This happened @ Somerset, riders then retired & the replacements were worse!

If a rider is not performing this team should have enough knowledge & knowhow to encourage those riders under performing.

Here's looking forward to the rest of 2022. 

Garry May has won league titles and cups by doing exactly that for years. Every recruited reserve rides on exactly that basis. They knew how they would get used during the meetings and were paid accordingly. They agreed to the set up and it worked well. Sometimes riders think they deserve more than they do and have a hissy fit if they don't get their way.  well maybe they need to earn it, show the team manger what they're worth. First job as a reserve has always been to be better than your other reserve team mate. Every Garry May team I've been involved in knew the situation from the start. He's one of the most open team managers I've known for working with his riders and telling them exactly what is expected of them. I'd rather work with Garry like that, than half the TMs in the league who turn up to fill in a programme and get a bit of fuel money

Edited April 11, 2022 by wtf

[Catalan]

3 hours ago, wtf said:

Garry May has won league titles and cups by doing exactly that for years. Even recruited reserve riders on exactly that basis. They knew how they would get used during the meetings and were paid accordingly. They agreed to to set up and it worked well. Sometimes riders think they deserve more than they do and have a hissy fit if they don't get their way.  well maybe they need to earn it, show the team manger what they're worth. First job as a reserve has always been to be better than your other reserve team mate. Every Garry May team I've been involved in knew the situation from the start. He's one of the most open team managers I've known for working with his riders and telling them exactly what is expected of them. I'd rather work with Garry like that, than half the TMs in the league who turn up to fill in a programme and get a bit of fuel money

Good post also Garry does this job because he loves the sport.

The riders also love working him. 

He's a great guy and speedway is better for him being involved.

[Ghosty]

1 hour ago, sugarray said:

Good post also Garry does this job because he loves the sport.

The riders also love working him. 

He's a great guy and speedway is better for him being involved.

I have no problems with Gary personally & consider him a mate!  But issues can be debated surely, tell me has Neil Middleditch or Peter Adams used similar tactics with their successes?

[GregoryM]

On 4/9/2022 at 9:26 PM, phillipsr said:

What did he say? 

 

On 4/9/2022 at 12:18 PM, Jaizer said:

Glasgow fans have a different opinion on Harris to apparently every other team in the UK!! Enjoyed the bit at the end of his interview, that made me chuckle

Roynon was full of praise, admiration, and respect for Bomber - something not shared, from what Jaizer tells us above, by the Glasgow fans!!

I do know what he means about the Bomber lovefest though. I've always enjoyed watching Bomber ride, but wouldn't go overboard as some do.

There have been plenty of riders who you'd hoped would 'miss-the-gate' 'coz you know you're then in for a real race. The last few years, for instance, for us at Belle Vue we've had Dan Bewley missing the start and giving us lap after lap of pure effort to pass. Like even Bomber, not successful every time.  And I've seen Scott Nicholls, particularly on the smaller tracks, work his way through to the front countless times - but that hasn't seemingly attracted the same gushing remarks that some commentators reserve for Bomber.