r8gdp Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: As the SCB have awarded Wolves 3rd and demoted Peterborough to 4th , what would they of done if Peterborough had made the final and then went on to win it Hey that would have been a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 It comes to something when those who make the rules dont even know their own rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 The thread running earlier this year about British Speedway being a joke seems quite apt. How come one sport can end up with such an incompetent bunch ruling over what use to be an enjoyable past time but has become a farce. Well done all on the top table, you have earned dick heads of the year for what must be the umpteenth time. No wonder Speedway is on it knees. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, tocha said: In other words it took a long time to arrive at the wrong decision. Still, it is a new event and I'm sure they'll get it right should it happen again. I think they have learned from this season's Jubillee Cup fiasco... So William's first one should be a doddle.. Edited October 28, 2022 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of clubs Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 Potentially it may have been a box of cornflakes the bits of paper could have been put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 Did the referee not have a copy of the rule book or did the referee fail to read the rule book? The team managers also appear not to know the rule book as well as they should and even if you can't remember all the rules knowing where things are in the rule book and having the ability to actually read the relevant sections should be a minimum qualification for the job. Heads should roll or at the very least some urgent re-training is required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, Chris116 said: Did the referee not have a copy of the rule book or did the referee fail to read the rule book? The team managers also appear not to know the rule book as well as they should and even if you can't remember all the rules knowing where things are in the rule book and having the ability to actually read the relevant sections should be a minimum qualification for the job. Heads should roll or at the very least some urgent re-training is required. You can check out the Rule book yourself on the SCB Website, to see that the Referee complied with them to the letter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Gambo said: You can check out the Rule book yourself on the SCB Website, to see that the Referee complied with them to the letter! So it's the team managers who really should've kept schtum, rules can't be changed on a whim but an amendment done for next season if everyone agrees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chris116 said: Did the referee not have a copy of the rule book or did the referee fail to read the rule book? The team managers also appear not to know the rule book as well as they should and even if you can't remember all the rules knowing where things are in the rule book and having the ability to actually read the relevant sections should be a minimum qualification for the job. Heads should roll or at the very least some urgent re-training is required. All they needed was a programme, the rules were printed in there weren't they? People were quoting them on here. Edited October 29, 2022 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 9 hours ago, Gambo said: You can check out the Rule book yourself on the SCB Website, to see that the Referee complied with them to the letter! If the referee complied with the rules to the letter why did the BSPL issue the statement the following day altering the result? Did the referee get it wrong or has the BSPL moved the goal posts in the 24 hours after the meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Chris116 said: If the referee complied with the rules to the letter why did the BSPL issue the statement the following day altering the result? Did the referee get it wrong or has the BSPL moved the goal posts in the 24 hours after the meeting? As I said, the Referee followed the rules, as they stood at the time, to the letter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gambo said: As I said, the Referee followed the rules, as they stood at the time, to the letter! So you are saying that the rules were changed after the event! Having looked at the rules on the SCB site as well as those quoted on this thread I can't find any changes so how can you claim the referee followed the rules correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chris116 said: So you are saying that the rules were changed after the event! Having looked at the rules on the SCB site as well as those quoted on this thread I can't find any changes so how can you claim the referee followed the rules correctly? To return the question to you, where/what is the rule that the referee did not follow. And if there was a part that he did not follow, why did the Team managers not point that out to him? Edited October 29, 2022 by Gambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Gambo said: To return the question to you, where/what is the rule that the referee did not follow. And if there was a part that he did not follow, why did the Team managers not point that out to him? Read what the BSPL statement says. The SCB would like to apologise to the Wolverhampton Team at the Premiership Pairs Round 5 at Belle Vue on Thursday 27th October where an error was made in the calcification of the results for the semi finals, where on the countback system Wolverhampton should have qualified for the race off. Three teams tied on 20 points however the SCB Regulations quite clearly states as per SCB Regulation 016.1.3 - "If more than a two way tie the team with the highest scoring heat results will qualify" Under this regulation between the three tied teams Wolverhampton, Peterborough and Sheffield, this meant Sheffield finshed in 5th position having not scored any 6 - 3 results in their favour, where as both Wolverhampton and Peterborough had one race each with a 6-3 advantage. Wolverhampton and Peterborough also had one race each of a 5-4 advantage. Thereafter Wolverhampton had one race with a score of 4-5 where as Peterborough other three races were all scores of 3-6, meaning that Wolverhampton should have qualified with a higher scoring heat results. So the 5th round positions will be adjusted to the following - 1st Belle Vue 2nd Ipswich 3rd Wolverhampton 4th Peterborough 5th Sheffield They say the rules were not followed and from my reading of the rules, I have to agree with the BSPL on this occasion. Edited October 29, 2022 by Chris116 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 And what would they have done had Harris not crashed out of the semi, which would have seen the Panthers in the final? Adjust the scores with Wolves going ahead of the Witches? Order the whole meeting restaged? Restage the semi & final? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Col said: And what would they have done had Harris not crashed out of the semi, which would have seen the Panthers in the final? They'd have said he was guesting for Wolverhampton. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Chris116 said: Read what the BSPL statement says. The SCB would like to apologise to the Wolverhampton Team at the Premiership Pairs Round 5 at Belle Vue on Thursday 27th October where an error was made in the calcification of the results for the semi finals, where on the countback system Wolverhampton should have qualified for the race off. Three teams tied on 20 points however the SCB Regulations quite clearly states as per SCB Regulation 016.1.3 - "If more than a two way tie the team with the highest scoring heat results will qualify" Under this regulation between the three tied teams Wolverhampton, Peterborough and Sheffield, this meant Sheffield finshed in 5th position having not scored any 6 - 3 results in their favour, where as both Wolverhampton and Peterborough had one race each with a 6-3 advantage. Wolverhampton and Peterborough also had one race each of a 5-4 advantage. Thereafter Wolverhampton had one race with a score of 4-5 where as Peterborough other three races were all scores of 3-6, meaning that Wolverhampton should have qualified with a higher scoring heat results. To be fair to the ref... They probably thought that working all that out would have taken till Friday lunchtime... "Anyone got a box and 3 pieces of paper?"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, mikebv said: To be fair to the ref... They probably thought that working all that out would have taken till Friday lunchtime... "Anyone got a box and 3 pieces of paper?"... Someone did say, let's get a random number generator, adjust for the teams and riders in alphabetical order and take into account league position (not counting the play-offs of course). Then the ref said, "where's the cardboard box?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arthur54 Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 47 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: https://ipswichwitches.co/raceday-preview-premiership-pairs-round-6/ Howarth back off his honeymoon then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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