Premiership Pairs

[Bagpuss]

Whats the issue with Foxhole then? Presumably preparation rather than shale after all the widening. What's changed to eliminate an outside line? 

[tellboy]

Firstly i thought the meeting last night was a very poor one.All pretty much gate and gone,apart from two overtakes as Trees said,in 17 hts that's shocking.

Then onto the use of the rising stars,through no fault of there own Sheffield faced 3 rising stars i think it was.You probably can't fault the other team managers neither as they will only look at when they think it is best to put in their r/s,without realising Sheffield had already faced a few.

I would like to see an amendment to the rule now over the use of the rising stars.I would still like them involved but they could use their averages.The top two average wise should meet in the race between the two teams ie Brennan v Hume have to meet (Belle Vue v Ipswich),Mountain v Flint(Sheffield v Wolves)Jenkins v Mulford(Peterborough v King's Lynn)This way every team will only face a rising star once.Plus the rising star has to face another rising star which should make it more competetive than being yards behind the 3 main riders.

[bigcatdiary]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

Whats the issue with Foxhole then? Presumably preparation rather than shale after all the widening. What's changed to eliminate an outside line? 

Lack of preparation, the track has never been a good circuit for overtaking but yesterday it was abysmal, which for supposedly a major event was unforgivable.

On a boiling hot day it needed a lot of water but the grip or lack of it was ridiculous.

Doyle showed just how hard it was when he missed the gate in heat 15 and really really struggled over 4 laps to get third place, quite what lesser mortals were expected to do beggars belief.

Is someone able to explain why Ipswich received inside gates for both the semi and final. 

Jarvis deserves criticism as well, his decision to exclude Andersen in heat 3 was laughable when it was obvious their was some contact with Lawson and some of the starts were questionable as well, some he let go and some he didn’t.

As I mentioned earlier my first time using the streaming and it was excellent, it’s a real shame they cannot cover the Premiership league as I would use it every time for Peterborough aways.

 

[cowboy cookie returns?]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

Whats the issue with Foxhole then? Presumably preparation rather than shale after all the widening. What's changed to eliminate an outside line? 

To be honest the old circuit provided better racing than is seen now.

But then to be honest nowhere produces consistently good racing these days.

[PotteringAround]

10 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said:

Is someone able to explain why Ipswich received inside gates for both the semi and final. 

Because Belle Vue chose 2 & 4 for the semi-final, and Sheffield chose 2 & 4 for the final? 

[Bash]

15 hours ago, tellboy said:

Three times in four races they have faced a rising star,although in one it was Mountain against Hume.

Personally I think rising stars in the event should be graded and race against each other ie Brennan v Mountain in one race etc.

 

The rising stars should only be there to be used for tape infringements and injuries. They could always give them a couple of races against each other so at least they get some action. Only one RS scored as two were in the race. Waste of time.

[Bash]

11 hours ago, NickH114 said:

Seemed a bit strange that both Belle Vue & then Sheffield took gates 2 & 4 in the last 2 races, I’m sure Musielak was 2nd in the final & not Ellis.

That's because the ref had a shocker and after the line up was announced for the final, he put the red lights on to get Ellis & Musielak to switch helmet colours. In there something in the rules which states that the rider wearing number 1 must always be in red or white as Ellis was originally named as wearing yellow in the final. He must be one of those refs which has to exclude someone for a stoppage as clearly it was first bend bunching when Anderson got excluded.

[bigcatdiary]

39 minutes ago, PotteringAround said:

Because Belle Vue chose 2 & 4 for the semi-final, and Sheffield chose 2 & 4 for the final? 

That doesn’t say much about the team managers and the riders then because the inside gates were certainly better in the second half of the meeting

[bigcatdiary]

45 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said:

To be honest the old circuit provided better racing than is seen now.

But then to be honest nowhere produces consistently good racing these days.

It certainly no better these days and your point about nowhere produces consistently good racing is a valid one.

Race suits, Lay Downs, Tuning and Big vans certainly look good but the tracks are abysmal most of the time, I certainly think a lot of the promoters have got it the wrong way round.

The GP circus is a prime example, looks very professional until you get to the actual racing which generally is pretty non existent.

[Baldyman]

2 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Whats the issue with Foxhole then? Presumably preparation rather than shale after all the widening. What's changed to eliminate an outside line? 

I think it's biggest problem is possibly the dirt line never really gets a chance to build up due to stock cars,,, and possibly not enough banking,,, again due to stocks. There just never seems to be any bite on the outside for the riders to use,,, I'm not a track expert,, but that's what It looks like. 

[IainB]

Perhaps the RS's could be used in a similar KO tournament to be run alongside the senior pairs on the same night, interspersed between the races... Similar to the 4's, when they had reserve races after every 4 heats but their points didn't count.

maybe 6 rider handicap races with start positions based on the senior teams points after every 3 races.

And the winning RS gains points to be added to the main points of the senior pair

Edited June 17, 2022 by iainb

[Arch Stanton]

Disagree about the old circuit providing better racing. It was simply far far to narrow to allow any decent racing to take place. There’s nothing wrong with the current shape as seen in the picture. They’ve made it much wider and more circular in shape. The problem is the preparation and Baldyman is right, the stocks are a real problem where this is concerned 

[TheSpecialOne]

I don't necessarily disagree with the involvement of the RS in this tournament but where they are needs a rethink.  If that means scheduling heats were the RS meet each other that has to be better than how it is now.

It wasn't just the racing that was poor last night but the whole presentation.  I don't get having an excessively long interval after heat 12 then having another natural break just 3 heats later before the semi.  The format obviously means that teams will have 2 on the trot between the semi and the final (and Ht 15/semi as it was last night) but again these breaks were far longer than they needed to be and dragged the whole meeting out.  On top of that little or no information about who had made the semi/final and mix ups about who was riding in what helmet colour.

[2ndbendbeerhut]

1 hour ago, Baldyman said:

I think it's biggest problem is possibly the dirt line never really gets a chance to build up due to stock cars,,, and possibly not enough banking,,, again due to stocks. There just never seems to be any bite on the outside for the riders to use,,, I'm not a track expert,, but that's what It looks like. 

Speedway is an added extra to Foxhalls owners. There's plenty of moaning from the car brigade that the shale ruins the outside track. Best thing would be for Guy Nicholls to build a new track on some land locally and stop using Foxhall....

But build it like Redcar or Somerset.... not Leicester.  

Edited June 17, 2022 by 2ndbendbeerhut

[IainB]

18 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said:

Speedway is an added extra to Foxhalls owners. There's plenty of moaning from the car brigade that the shale ruins the outside track. Best thing would be for Guy Nicholls to build a new track on some land locally and stop using Foxhall....

But build it like Redcar or Somerset.... not Leicester.  

Best racing seen on television this year... from Leicester 

[Trees]

8 hours ago, Baldyman said:

I know,,, I've watched years and years of that rubbish,,, and I still don't have a clue why I do 

You'd think Chris Louis would try to do something about it, has he? Jeeeeez

I know Lynn isn't like it was but it's a king to Ipswich!

[89buttons]

13 hours ago, Trees said:

You'd think Chris Louis would try to do something about it, has he? Jeeeeez

I know Lynn isn't like it was but it's a king to Ipswich!

Chris Louis has changed the track, and banking as much as he can making alterations 4/5 times in the last few winters.

it’s unfair saying there was a “lack of preparation” it was clear to see how hard Chris and bob had been working all day to get moisture into the track and produce some grip, this week has been horrendous weather hotter and hotter with a drying wind every day. I work on a local golf course and it’s gone from green to toast in just a few days.

my question would be, if the material they currently use is just so so difficult to produce an outside line with when it’s so hot and dry, is there a better material that could be sourced to suit the climate and track here at Foxhall? 
 

I agree that the stock cars running all over it between meetings really don’t help.

[Roger Jacobs]

21 hours ago, bigcatdiary said:

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On a boiling hot day it needed a lot of water but the grip or lack of it was ridiculous.

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Is someone able to explain why Ipswich received inside gates for both the semi and final. 

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As I mentioned earlier my first time using the streaming and it was excellent, it’s a real shame they cannot cover the Premiership league as I would use it every time for Peterborough aways.

 

1) Apparently they put 46,000 gallons of water on it?!  As mentioned elsewhere, there must be a problem with the loose material being used.

2) Not sure about the SF, but Sheffield definitely chose 2&4 in the Final.

3) Agree 100% ... BSN presentation far superior to Eurosport. 

[tellboy]

2 hours ago, 89buttons said:

Chris Louis has changed the track, and banking as much as he can making alterations 4/5 times in the last few winters.

it’s unfair saying there was a “lack of preparation” it was clear to see how hard Chris and bob had been working all day to get moisture into the track and produce some grip, this week has been horrendous weather hotter and hotter with a drying wind every day. I work on a local golf course and it’s gone from green to toast in just a few days.

my question would be, if the material they currently use is just so so difficult to produce an outside line with when it’s so hot and dry, is there a better material that could be sourced to suit the climate and track here at Foxhall? 
 

I agree that the stock cars running all over it between meetings really don’t help.

It doesn't provide an outside line whatever the weather according to many Ipswich fans.Its not been baking got all season I know

[wtf]

21 hours ago, bigcatdiary said:

That doesn’t say much about the team managers and the riders then because the inside gates were certainly better in the second half of the meeting

No one wanted gate 3 including Doyley, it was a graveyard, but Troy managed to get off it both times, with a sneaky little roller, but that's the name of the game.